Irene of Athens: the Christian Byzantine Empress who gouged her own son's eyes.

[WinterHold]

The argument is not rubbish, the Quran says it should be this way:



Retaliating in the same manor is ordered by the Quran.

As for what Muslim societies do in their courts; I already told you and so many others that they are not dealing like "Muslims" anymore. I don't care about what they do.

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But it’s NOT ‘retaliating in the same manner’ (note correction), because the punishment is excessive. If it were as equitable as you claim, then the only Quranic justification for cutting off a hand would be if the condemned had been found guilty of cutting off someone else’s hand.

But your hypocrisy continues unabated. You say that Christians are evil for committing atrocities approved by God, but Muslims are righteous for committing atrocities approved by the same God, because you’re apparently incapable of understanding that theistic religion - any religion - is what makes these people behave atrociously.

Boru

Stealing is a special case. You didn't count the aftermath of the crime correctly:
1-the robbery might include somebody's whole life savings
2-the robbery might include somebody's family sponsoring savings
3-the robbery might include somebody's priceless property left by their parents/relatives/friends

Where is the hypocrisy in cutting the hand of a person who already cut the living of others?
The thieve will still get their freedom in Islam though; unlike secular and heathen unjust systems.

[Fake Messiah]

In Islam, you get punished just by existing. Like for being a six-year-old girl because their prophet molested six-year-old girls

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[The Grand Nudger]

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Soooooo…..did you ever end up figuring out why east and west got separated?  Seems like it might be instructive for you.

Yes?
Obviously the heathens "started to take over the Western Church", and civil wars started in the "Eastern Church" between heathen enthusiasts -like Irene- against non-heathens like her son "Constantine"; thus she made an example out of him by blinding him and turn Christianity in the East to a heathen faith.

Sigh.  You'd think you'd be interested, since it involves a caliphate, but no.

[Deesse23]

But it’s NOT ‘retaliating in the same manner’ (note correction), because the punishment is excessive. If it were as equitable as you claim, then the only Quranic justification for cutting off a hand would be if the condemned had been found guilty of cutting off someone else’s hand.

But your hypocrisy continues unabated. You say that Christians are evil for committing atrocities approved by God, but Muslims are righteous for committing atrocities approved by the same God, because you’re apparently incapable of understanding that theistic religion - any religion - is what makes these people behave atrociously.

Boru

Stealing is a special case. You didn't count the aftermath of the crime correctly:
1-the robbery might include somebody's whole life savings
2-the robbery might include somebody's family sponsoring savings
3-the robbery might include somebody's priceless property left by their parents/relatives/friends

Where is the hypocrisy in cutting the hand of a person who already cut the living of others?
The thieve will still get their freedom in Islam though; unlike secular and heathen unjust systems.

Life savings = Money. Also its not always the life savings when stuff is stolen.

You want to cut hands off in exchange for money. Money can be re-gained, a hand can not.

You are a savage, cruel barbarian. The Byzantines were far superior compared to your sad 21th century existence.

P.S.: Robbery is not equal to theft, you ignorant, cruel barbarian.

[WinterHold]

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Yes?
Obviously the heathens "started to take over the Western Church", and civil wars started in the "Eastern Church" between heathen enthusiasts -like Irene- against non-heathens like her son "Constantine"; thus she made an example out of him by blinding him and turn Christianity in the East to a heathen faith.

Sigh.  You'd think you'd be interested, since it involves a caliphate, but no.

All I care about is that the evil inhumane butchers who used to blind people for leaving the heathen Church were put to their end by Islam; the same faith of heroes who ended Vlad the Impaler, the same faith that ended the Mongols.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's not why the guy got blinded, nor is that why the caliphate was attacking them. Like I said before, the problem isn't that you don't know shit - but that you can't. It's not competence, but capability.

We have the same sort of thing here (and all over the world, really). People who are simply lost to the human race, and cannot be brought back. Irene, constantine, the caliphate, none of these actors were interested in goodness or the wellbeing of their fellow man - they were all competing with each other to assert their own brutal means and ends to the same. A dispute between those who would be kings. It ended horribly for everyone involved. Constantine, Irene, the eastern and western empires, catholic hegemony, the caliphate - all dust..and the only difference any of them ever made was in grinding other people to dust as well in the process.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But it’s NOT ‘retaliating in the same manner’ (note correction), because the punishment is excessive. If it were as equitable as you claim, then the only Quranic justification for cutting off a hand would be if the condemned had been found guilty of cutting off someone else’s hand.

But your hypocrisy continues unabated. You say that Christians are evil for committing atrocities approved by God, but Muslims are righteous for committing atrocities approved by the same God, because you’re apparently incapable of understanding that theistic religion - any religion - is what makes these people behave atrociously.

Boru

Stealing is a special case. You didn't count the aftermath of the crime correctly:
1-the robbery might include somebody's whole life savings
2-the robbery might include somebody's family sponsoring savings
3-the robbery might include somebody's priceless property left by their parents/relatives/friends

Where is the hypocrisy in cutting the hand of a person who already cut the living of others?
The thieve will still get their freedom in Islam though; unlike secular and heathen unjust systems.

Does the Quran make the distinction between stealing a radio and stealing someone’s life savings? In other words, does the punishment for theft vary based on what was stolen? Even if it did, your case is still very weak - punishing theft via bodily mutilation is savage and barbaric.

And you still haven’t explained why Muslim-practiced barbarism is any different than that practiced by Christians.

Boru

[no one]

Winter:
The argument is not rubbish, the Quran says it should be this way


Any "argument" from a huly buuk is by default, utter rubbish!

[The Architect Of Fate]

Stealing is a special case. You didn't count the aftermath of the crime correctly:
1-the robbery might include somebody's whole life savings
2-the robbery might include somebody's family sponsoring savings
3-the robbery might include somebody's priceless property left by their parents/relatives/friends

Theft is a minor crime and isn't worthy of being mutilated again warped morality on full display 

Where is the hypocrisy in cutting the hand of a person who already cut the living of others?
The thieve will still get their freedom in Islam though; unlike secular and heathen unjust systems.

Yes it is hypocrisy to bitch mutilation then praise it for minor crime

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All I care about is that the evil inhumane butchers who used to blind people for leaving the heathen Church were put to their end by Islam; the same faith of heroes who ended Vlad the Impaler, the same faith that ended the Mongols.

As opposed to the evil butchers your calling heroes

Hypocrite 

[WinterHold]

That's not why the guy got blinded, nor is that why the caliphate was attacking them.  Like I said before, the problem isn't that you don't know shit - but that you can't.  It's not competence, but capability.  

We have the same sort of thing here (and all over the world, really).  People who are simply lost to the human race, and cannot be brought back.  Irene, constantine, the caliphate, none of these actors were interested in goodness or the wellbeing of their fellow man - they were all competing with each other to assert their own brutal means and ends to the same.  A dispute between those who would be kings.  It ended horribly for everyone involved.  Constantine, Irene, the eastern and western empires, catholic hegemony, the caliphate - all dust..and the only difference any of them ever made was in grinding other people to dust as well in the process.

Irene was a heathen enthusiast in history, and had a deep grudge against her son + a civil war and lifelong rivalry with him, the fate she conspired with other fanatics to inflict on her son was heavily inspired by Greek heathen practices:

The punishment has been used since Antiquity;  makes several references to blinding as divine punishment, which reflects human practice.

Get over your caliphate fetish. This is the aftermath of a Christian vs Heathen war.