Russia and Ukraine

[Silver]

It's good to know some people think it's most beneficial to roll over for the dictator.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Great interview with Chomsky. He dispels all of the disinformation coming from Western media about Putin supposedly becoming a mad man overnight and attacking without provocation. Chomsky makes the point that if Ukraine somehow is facing the prospect of actually winning this thing, Russia with their backs against the wall, may well resort to using weapons on Ukraine that they have not used yet, and if they do, are we really going to fight WW3 over Ukraine? And before anyone comes in with a fifth grade insult about me liking the Putin pee pee, let me just say, that's very George W. Bush of you and I like how you've adopted Bush' neo-con foreign policy philosophy. As W Bush said, you're either with us, or you're against us. Or, how about, I'm against a proxy war with a nuclear armed Russia that stands the risk of escalating into something much more disastrous for the world?

Yeah, Chomsky's unbiased.

[Fake Messiah]

Yes, let's all prostrate ourselves in front of Putin and fulfill all his demands as well as appetites because has nuclear weapons.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Great interview with Chomsky. He dispels all of the disinformation coming from Western media about Putin supposedly becoming a mad man overnight and attacking without provocation. Chomsky makes the point that if Ukraine somehow is facing the prospect of actually winning this thing, Russia with their backs against the wall, may well resort to using weapons on Ukraine that they have not used yet, and if they do, are we really going to fight WW3 over Ukraine? And before anyone comes in with a fifth grade insult about me liking the Putin pee pee, let me just say, that's very George W. Bush of you and I like how you've adopted Bush' neo-con foreign policy philosophy. As W Bush said, you're either with us, or you're against us. Or, how about, I'm against a proxy war with a nuclear armed Russia that stands the risk of escalating into something much more disastrous for the world?

Yeah, Chomsky's unbiased.  

Of course Chomsky is biased. We all are. I have many extreme disagreements with Chomsky, but I think he was mostly good in this interview.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Great interview with Chomsky. He dispels all of the disinformation coming from Western media about Putin supposedly becoming a mad man overnight and attacking without provocation. Chomsky makes the point that if Ukraine somehow is facing the prospect of actually winning this thing, Russia with their backs against the wall, may well resort to using weapons on Ukraine that they have not used yet, and if they do, are we really going to fight WW3 over Ukraine? And before anyone comes in with a fifth grade insult about me liking the Putin pee pee, let me just say, that's very George W. Bush of you and I like how you've adopted Bush' neo-con foreign policy philosophy. As W Bush said, you're either with us, or you're against us. Or, how about, I'm against a proxy war with a nuclear armed Russia that stands the risk of escalating into something much more disastrous for the world?

Noam has gone soft in the head

1. Russia doesn't have anything left except nukes with they will never use.

2. This has nothing to do with Bush anything. We're not invading another country were preventing one from being invaded 

3. Lol but you are totally for letting a dictator being able to annex a whole other nation against their will just to avoid making said dictator mad in other words the chamberlain mindset of appeasement. Coward

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yeah, Chomsky's unbiased.  

Of course Chomsky is biased. We all are. I have many extreme disagreements with Chomsky, but I think he was mostly good in this interview.

No, he wasn't he was talking Tankie nonsense.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

It's almost as if you believe that America foisted this war upon two uninterested parties who were powerless to resist American whimsy. How bizarre.

Of course Chomsky is biased. We all are. I have many extreme disagreements with Chomsky, but I think he was mostly good in this interview.

There's enough knee-jerk to his statements that I don't pay much mind to him, even when I agree with him.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yes, that’s exactly why - geopolitics. Whatever the stated reasons given out for public consumption, wars are ALWAYS political (Clausewitz). There are no exceptions. This is something informed people know.

And as much as I respect Chomsky, he’s fallen down the rabbit hole of thinking that each and every European conflict is going to trigger a world war. Out if the hundreds of armed European conflicts, three have become global. Three.

Could Russia use nukes in Europe? Possible, but not very likely. Putin is clever enough to grasp that Russia could never beat NATO in either a conventional or nuclear conflict, and that the consequences for Russia would be far, far worse than for the alliance.

As for your scenario of Mexico or Canada aligning with Russia, I doubt very much that the US would like it, but I doubt even more that the US would launch a military invasion in response. The Americans tend to focus more on economic power (or ‘bribery’ if you prefer that term) these days to get their way in the world.

Boru

I completely agree that the war is about geopolitics. And I think the idea of Putin using nukes in Ukraine would be that he would be doing it under the impression that there's a good chance NATO wouldn't respond in kind by nuking Russia. As we saw in Japan, the nukes have the shock factor, but a couple of nukes wasn't necessarily as bad as the carpet bombing of cities just because they were nukes. Do we allow tens of thousands/ hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians or however many it would be die, and give Russia a pass after they've already dropped the nukes on Ukraine, to save the possible millions of lives that would die in a world war or massive nuclear exchange? It's a hard question. My solution.. well, Russia and Ukraine were in peace talks. The US and other countries have stepped in to stifle these talks, and yeah, I don't think that's a good thing. Giving in to Putin on this and making a peace deal doesn't mean he's going to get a big head and try to expand even further into Europe. It sucks that superpowers like Russia get to do bad shit without severe consequences, but sadly that's just the way the world works sometimes. Talk of "we shouldn't let the bully win" is basically just another way of saying "we have the bigger dicks so we should swing them and be the world police because we can", but like Chomsky says, it's a gamble. Is he overstating the risk of nuclear warfare? Probably, but I still don't want to make that gamble nonetheless.

1. Russia will never use its Nukes over Ukraine.

2. There is no peace with Putin nor should Ukraine ever give in to his demands.

3. It only works that way if we do nothing.

4. It has nothing to do with having a bigger dick it has everything to do with not letting Russia swallow up more countries.

Your ignorance and utterly deranged mindset on international affairs is mind-blowing.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Russia won’t agree to ukraines terms.  That’s the main problem with that.  The notion that ukraine should negotiate away their own country so that you and Noam can sleep better at night is trash.

So we can sleep better at night, AND so tens of thousands less Ukrainians are killed in the war, AND so Russia doesn't possibly escalate the war even beyond what they have done. I'd like the Ukrainians to be able to sleep at night as well. And when I post what I'm about to post, I'm not questioning your toughness. You're tougher than I. But, it's pretty easy for Americans/ Westerners in general (not directed at you) to cheer on America's project and funding of a proxy war with Russia, when it's the Ukrainians that are suffering and dying fighting the war, and not the Americans and other Westerners. The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

All you are saying is basically, American exceptionalism. We have big cocks and it would be a shame to let that go to waste. Let's try to Americanize the entire earth and if anyone fails to submit to our commands, we're going to war with you or we'll do a proxy war between 2 nuclear armed powers, with the risks which that entails.

1.No one will be sleeping better at night if Putin wins and those Ukrainians are dying because they choose to. Because they don't want to live under the boot heel of a tyrant, And this as fuck all to do with Americanizing anything not letting Russia do as it pleases. You truly are delusional.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

It's almost as if you believe that America foisted this war upon two uninterested parties who were powerless to resist American whimsy. How bizarre.

Of course Chomsky is biased. We all are. I have many extreme disagreements with Chomsky, but I think he was mostly good in this interview.

There's enough knee-jerk to his statements that I don't pay much mind to him, even when I agree with him.

I love these types who act as if America controls everything and no other nation has any self-determination to do anything bad. As for Chomsky he's become a full victim of Tankie think.