Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ofc, but the fact of that is immaterial to the fantasy that IA has surrounded himself in.  Hell say we don’t have a problem with it- but in response the a correction of fact his being wrong about that will only prove him right.  We’re two faced lying hypocrites, after all, lol.  It’s just the government version of lib virtue signaling.

Appealing to hypocrisy during a war is the Ultimate virtue signal. I can imagine IA screaming the US should just let Hitler take over the world because "America did bad stuff too" It's moralist larping of the saddest kind. The fact of the matter is Putin needs to have his ass kicked in Ukraine to teach him not to try this again and Ukraine needs to win to teach Russia to finally get over their delusion they are the USSR and deal with the fact they left and are doing their own thing. China needs to back the fuck off Taiwan and if they don't we need to give them a firm kick in the balls to teach them to cut that shit out. Neither is ever going to start a nuclear war and using that as an excuse to pussy out of a fight is lame and thank god Bidens had more balls than IA and realizes that.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Russia won’t agree to ukraines terms.  That’s the main problem with that.  The notion that ukraine should negotiate away their own country so that you and Noam can sleep better at night is trash.

So we can sleep better at night, AND so tens of thousands less Ukrainians are killed in the war, AND so Russia doesn't possibly escalate the war even beyond what they have done. I'd like the Ukrainians to be able to sleep at night as well. And when I post what I'm about to post, I'm not questioning your toughness. You're tougher than I. But, it's pretty easy for Americans/ Westerners in general (not directed at you) to cheer on America's project and funding of a proxy war with Russia, when it's the Ukrainians that are suffering and dying fighting the war, and not the Americans and other Westerners. The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

All you are saying is basically, American exceptionalism. We have big cocks and it would be a shame to let that go to waste. Let's try to Americanize the entire earth and if anyone fails to submit to our commands, we're going to war with you or we'll do a proxy war between 2 nuclear armed powers, with the risks which that entails.

And all YOU are saying is basically, ‘Appease the thugs.’ 

It didn’t work in 1938, I’m curious as to why you think it would work now.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

So we can sleep better at night, AND so tens of thousands less Ukrainians are killed in the war, AND so Russia doesn't possibly escalate the war even beyond what they have done. I'd like the Ukrainians to be able to sleep at night as well. And when I post what I'm about to post, I'm not questioning your toughness. You're tougher than I. But, it's pretty easy for Americans/ Westerners in general (not directed at you) to cheer on America's project and funding of a proxy war with Russia, when it's the Ukrainians that are suffering and dying fighting the war, and not the Americans and other Westerners. The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

All you are saying is basically, American exceptionalism. We have big cocks and it would be a shame to let that go to waste. Let's try to Americanize the entire earth and if anyone fails to submit to our commands, we're going to war with you or we'll do a proxy war between 2 nuclear armed powers, with the risks which that entails.

And all YOU are saying is basically, ‘Appease the thugs.’ 

It didn’t work in 1938, I’m curious as to why you think it would work now.

Boru

Yup IA Chamberlain


But...But...But China ...But..But Suadi Arabia...But ...But...North Korea


Therefore let Russia and China crush sovereign states into the dirt because of the Nukes they will never use.....

[Thumpalumpacus]

China has the Uyghurs in concentration camps. What are we going to do about it?

This is a false equivalence. The mistreatment of Uighurs is a domestic issue, whereas the Russians are exporting evils to a country which did nothing to merit such slaughter and depredation.

What are we going to do about China's hold on Taiwan? Should we stop trade with China over this? What say you?

Taiwan? They are already functionally independent. If the Chinese are stupid enough to launch an amphibious assault across 100 miles of salt water, we should remember the words of Napoleon: "Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake."

The United States is funding the war to the tune of billions of dollars, so therefore it is America's war, yes. Without that funding, the war likely would have been over and Ukraine would have made peace.

You seem to think that Russia had no choice but to do America's bidding when it launched its unprovoked invasion, and that the Ukrainians should have honestly considered subjugation as an acceptable peace term.

It goes without saying that I find both strains of thought hopelessly useless, and out of touch with the fact that both nations have agency in their own decisions. Chomsky should stick to linguistics.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So we can sleep better at night, AND so tens of thousands less Ukrainians are killed in the war, AND so Russia doesn't possibly escalate the war even beyond what they have done. I'd like the Ukrainians to be able to sleep at night as well. And when I post what I'm about to post, I'm not questioning your toughness. You're tougher than I. But, it's pretty easy for Americans/ Westerners in general (not directed at you) to cheer on America's project and funding of a proxy war with Russia, when it's the Ukrainians that are suffering and dying fighting the war, and not the Americans and other Westerners. The Ukrainians are doing the dirty work of the Americans. The Ukrainians are the ones dying by the tens of thousands, and I don't like to see that.

All you are saying is basically, American exceptionalism. We have big cocks and it would be a shame to let that go to waste. Let's try to Americanize the entire earth and if anyone fails to submit to our commands, we're going to war with you or we'll do a proxy war between 2 nuclear armed powers, with the risks which that entails.

And all YOU are saying is basically, ‘Appease the thugs.’ 

It didn’t work in 1938, I’m curious as to why you think it would work now.

Boru

If Hitler had nukes IA would be saying just let Hitler take over the world and kill all the Non-Aryan. Also, America supported Dictators in the 1930s and 1940s so America clearly shouldn't fight Hitler that would be hypocritical......

[The Grand Nudger]

Hey, look…that’s just how the world works, okay?

Ukraine should surrender, and no one should be sending them material support, so that Russia will stop killling Ukrainians faster.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Hey, look…that’s just how the world works, okay?

Yup just let that guy mug that old lady because once you didn't pay a parking ticket. You are not morally pure enough to stop it and don't you know the weak must submit to the strong and let them do as they please....

[The Grand Nudger]

That’s a fun underlying bit. Recall the way the world works is that superpowers get to do what they want so the right thing to do is let them.

Maybe that’s true, but Russia has the second best army in Ukraine….so who should be begging for merciful subjugation…,again?

[Irreligious Atheist]

Perhaps you should actually check the us stance on those concentration camps?  End of the day, though, what do you suggest we do to prove we care?  Invade China?  Maybe that’s the ticket in Ukraine too, right?  Rather than fight a proxy war, just be heroes and occupy.  That would surely calm your fears about nuclear Sabre rattling….right…….right….?

In the reich wing upside down, all roads lead directly up putins swampy asshole, by proxy.

The US stance on those concentration camps lol? Of course the US is going to pretend to care and virtue signal about human rights abuses, while not really caring, because business is business, and the US needs China. I don't suggest the US does anything about the concentration camps. There is nothing the US can do. What's the public US stance on Saudi Arabia beheading witches? Pretty sure they say they're against it and are concerned. Just not concerned enough to stop selling weapons to them AKA only concerned on a rhetoric level and not a reality level.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The US stance on those concentration camps lol? Of course the US is going to pretend to care and virtue signal about human rights abuses, while not really caring, because business is business, and the US needs China. I don't suggest the US does anything about the concentration camps. There is nothing the US can do. What's the public US stance on Saudi Arabia beheading witches? Pretty sure they say they're against it and are concerned. Just not concerned enough to stop selling weapons to them AKA only concerned on a rhetoric level and not a reality level.

Virtue signal kind of like you on all this .....

Oh and once again conflating a country's domestic issues with foreign wars. By your logic, no country should ever sell weapons or anything for that matter to any another country unless they are an egalitarian utopia ....