Russia and Ukraine

[Belacqua]

Unless thre's rumblings in the American halls of power to make something new? Assuming you can pry the money out of the Airforce's hands. I've seen more than a few comments about the internet about the Airforce's "Love" for the A-10.

Money isn't the problem. They have more money than they know what to do with, and billions every year that they can't account for in the audits. 

The problem is they choose to spend the money on fantastically expensive airplanes that don't work. 

In fact now that everyone knows the F-35 will never be useful they have started to talk about replacing it with an actual usable machine. The F-35 has, after all, accomplished its mission, which was to funnel incredible amounts of money from the taxpayer to well-connected people who were already rich. That's about the only thing the Pentagon does well.

[Deesse23]

Unless thre's rumblings in the American halls of power to make something new? Assuming you can pry the money out of the Airforce's hands. I've seen more than a few comments about the internet about the Airforce's "Love" for the A-10.

Money isn't the problem. They have more money than they know what to do with, and billions every year that they can't account for in the audits. 

The problem is they choose to spend the money on fantastically expensive airplanes that don't work. 

In fact now that everyone knows the F-35 will never be useful they have started to talk about replacing it with an actual usable machine. The F-35 has, after all, accomplished its mission, which was to funnel incredible amounts of money from the taxpayer to well-connected people who were already rich. That's about the only thing the Pentagon does well.

...all of which as fuck nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[GrandizerII]

I feel like Putin could've avoided all this current mess in the first place, were it not for his big ego. He, and the Russian government, should've taken more time (before invading) to consider whether this whole invasion idea was a really good idea because clearly, things aren't going well for them, and they know that the Western powers weren't going to sit by and just watch. I know, hindsight is 20/20, but this is the situation Russia is in now. And both Russia and Ukraine are suffering because of it.

As for this whole idea about how Putin is sort of like the good guy in this story, and who just happens to be horribly misunderstood (which is what I keep reading on Quora), I don't buy it one bit.

ETA: It also doesn't matter whether the Russian government was provoked into doing it, because at some point, each government (and individual persons) should be held accountable for their own actions, and we shouldn't keep blaming others for what we ourselves do.

[arewethereyet]

Money isn't the problem. They have more money than they know what to do with, and billions every year that they can't account for in the audits. 

The problem is they choose to spend the money on fantastically expensive airplanes that don't work. 

In fact now that everyone knows the F-35 will never be useful they have started to talk about replacing it with an actual usable machine. The F-35 has, after all, accomplished its mission, which was to funnel incredible amounts of money from the taxpayer to well-connected people who were already rich. That's about the only thing the Pentagon does well.

...all of which as fuck nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just doing what they do best...poke at the US.  It's starting to look like an OCD thing.  There are meds for that.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

*Nods*

Hard to break does not equal 'Indestructable'.

There's been a few Youtube vids of pilots recounting bringing the damaged birds home.

Pretty sure though, that such machines are still 'Right offs' even though they stayed under thier pilots till they made it back home.

Lose an F-16? Recover the pilot and strap them into a new one comming off the lines.

Lose an A-10? Nup, there ain't no more, no more.

Unless thre's rumblings in the American halls of power to make something new? Assuming you can pry the money out of the Airforce's hands. I've seen more than a few comments about the internet about the Airforce's "Love" for the A-10.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Cheers.

Of course it doesn’t mean ‘indestructible’ - no one said it did. But the US has nearly 300 of these planes in mothballs.

During Desert Storm, the USAF flew 8000 sorties with A-10. Five were destroyed. Five. So, it’s clearly destroyable, but not easily so.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

To give an idea of it's ruggedness and reliability, they're thought to be suitable for coast guard search and rescue, and space force tested them out for this too, while the NSF awarded 10 mil for a grant that has the gun taken out to make room for instruments so that they could fly directly into violent thunderstorms which would curbstomp lesser airframes. Warhorses usually don't get such dignified retirements, or comebacks...should they ever make their way to ukraine.

[The Grand Nudger]

-I don't think they will, mind, ukraine uses artillery/drones to perform the task that we use cas for (and the cas environment there is more brutal than anything us planes have faced in any recent conflict). That way of doing it forfeits projection..but ukraine doesn't necessarily need or even want to project out beyond their own borders, modern lrp munitions are enough for that - and alot cheaper, simpler to train for, and easier to replace, too.

[Leonardo17]

Just a question from those in the know.

A-10's are pretty much flying relics,are they not? They littereally havn't built a new machine since the 1970's?

Not that i think F-16's are the machine for ground support but, at least they are still being built, yes?

 

Cheers.

Not at work.

The A-10 was produced through 1984 - the F-16 design is contemporary design, but it is not well suited for the role that the A-10 was built for.  It really doesn't matter if the airframes are 40+ years old, as long as they're mission ready.

They don’t need the very best weapons either. Just enough a mismanaged army that is a relic of the 80’s even if it was not completely demoralized, untrained and completely corrupt.

But they are sending new Leopard tanks rather than old ones. Everyone wants this to end as quickly as possible.

[Leonardo17]

Unless thre's rumblings in the American halls of power to make something new? Assuming you can pry the money out of the Airforce's hands. I've seen more than a few comments about the internet about the Airforce's "Love" for the A-10.

Money isn't the problem. They have more money than they know what to do with, and billions every year that they can't account for in the audits. 

The problem is they choose to spend the money on fantastically expensive airplanes that don't work. 

In fact now that everyone knows the F-35 will never be useful they have started to talk about replacing it with an actual usable machine. The F-35 has, after all, accomplished its mission, which was to funnel incredible amounts of money from the taxpayer to well-connected people who were already rich. That's about the only thing the Pentagon does well.

That’s exactly what they told my President for 3 more month to convince him to buy Russian S-300 systems (which are not even being used and are sitting in a military warehouse) in return for being kicked out of the F-35 program (of which we were producing some key elements).

[Leonardo17]

I feel like Putin could've avoided all this current mess in the first place, were it not for his big ego. He, and the Russian government, should've taken more time  (before invading) to consider whether this whole invasion idea was a really good idea because clearly, things aren't going well for them, and they know that the Western powers weren't going to sit by and just watch. I know, hindsight is 20/20, but this is the situation Russia is in now. And both Russia and Ukraine are suffering because of it.

As for this whole idea about how Putin is sort of like the good guy in this story, and who just happens to be horribly misunderstood (which is what I keep reading on Quora), I don't buy it one bit.

ETA: It also doesn't matter whether the Russian government was provoked into doing it, because at some point, each government (and individual persons) should be held accountable for their own actions, and we shouldn't keep blaming others for what we ourselves do.

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Bring it to 4:30.
Tim Wilson believes in a change of Russian Leadership for the better and a negotiated peace. He believes in a “rethink by the current Russian administration”   
 
This seems very idealistic. Still it’s the only answer to “What happens after Ukraine takes back all its lost-territories?”