Russia and Ukraine

[The Grand Nudger]

It's about 700k for both sides. OFC, that's "fighting age males" - to us. Ukraine actually doesn't conscript them even though we call them that. Russia does, did, and is running out of fuel for the fire precisely because that demo was so small in both countries.

[Anomalocaris]

The source is not hard to find,  you can google Ukrainian and Russian emigration since 2022.     Without knowing what those numbers are, without considering what impact these numbers can have,  and on ad hoc basis calling it Russian propaganda when it is presented,  does show how some people formulate their views.

Nice try, but by my experience, many people say things like that to try and avoid the question or posting sources. Now, if you don't want me to disbelieve you, why not post an actual source yourself?

if that’s you criteria for fact finding i am not willing to help you.

[Anomalocaris]

The source is not hard to find,  you can google Ukrainian and Russian emigration since 2022.     Without knowing what those numbers are, without considering what impact these numbers can have,  and on ad hoc basis calling it Russian propaganda when it is presented,  does show how some people formulate their views.

1) It is not my job to search out your sources for you.

2) You haven't even defined your terms, so I'd have no idea where to start looking for your sources.

3) I am an adherent of Hitchens's Razor. I think anyone who refuses to support their own claims with verifiable reports doesn't deserve serious consideration -- especially when their analyses are so deeply flawed as are yours.

from someone who is poisoning the well because he didn’t even know these kind of figures could be important to find out for their own analysis

[Thumpalumpacus]

Nice try, but by my experience, many people say things like that to try and avoid the question or posting sources. Now, if you don't want me to disbelieve you, why not post an actual source yourself?

if that’s you criteria for fact finding i am not willing to help you.

My criteria is solid sourcing. You're clearly unable to help on that score. Let's face it, if you had the dope, you would have posted it already just to shut folks up.

Weak shit, fish.

[Thumpalumpacus]

1) It is not my job to search out your sources for you.

2) You haven't even defined your terms, so I'd have no idea where to start looking for your sources.

3) I am an adherent of Hitchens's Razor. I think anyone who refuses to support their own claims with verifiable reports doesn't deserve serious consideration -- especially when their analyses are so deeply flawed as are yours.

from someone who is poisoning the well because he didn’t even know these kind of figures could be important to find out for their own analysis

lol, if a personal attack (asserting my ignorance of these figures) is the best you got, you're out of luck. I've seen enough numbers. I'm challenging you to support your general claims.

You can either do it or, as is clear now, you cannot.

Prove me wrong on that score. Show me you can support your PIDOOMA. I double-dog dare you.

[ShinyCrystals]

Nice try, but by my experience, many people say things like that to try and avoid the question or posting sources. Now, if you don't want me to disbelieve you, why not post an actual source yourself?

if that’s you criteria for fact finding i am not willing to help you.

Or maybe you're just not keen on the idea of being criticized for posting a source that does not help you at all in any way, if a source even exists for that matter.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Or maybe you're just not keen on the idea of being criticized for posting a source that does not help you at all in any way, if a source even exists for that matter.

He didn't post any source at all. Don't give him credit that he doesn't deserve.

[ShinyCrystals]

Or maybe you're just not keen on the idea of being criticized for posting a source that does not help you at all in any way, if a source even exists for that matter.

He didn't post any source at all. Don't give him credit that he doesn't deserve.

I am not. I just may have worded that post of mine wrong.

But he is acting like posting a source is like being in a haunted house full of ghosts (if there ever were such things as ghosts, that is). It's not that bad of a thing.

[Deesse23]

Between 1-2 million Russians fled, or at most 1/3 as many Russians as Ukrainians fled, out of a pre-war population 3.5 times bigger.    So the escape problem is at least 10 times worse for Ukraine than for Russia.   Which is not entirely surprising as the war is not fought on Russian territory regardless of exaggerated story of Ukrainian pin pricks against Russian territory.

2nd 3rd request: source for these numbers?

Document your claim.

I wonder how easy/hard it is for a russian male of the age of conscrition to leave Russia unhindered.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This thread has gotten bizarre. Thank you.

Boru