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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 4:20 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 2:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: meanwhile we have a SoD no longer making demands like, "Crimea be returned to Ukraine" that will never be accepted.
How do you know what will or won't be accepted?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 4:32 pm
The russian navy no longer seems to be interested in crimea. Too dangerous for their smoldering rafts.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 4:33 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 4:32 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The russian navy no longer seems to be interested in crimea. Too dangerous for their smoldering rafts. Russia still has a navy ?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 4:39 pm
Not in crimea.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 5:25 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 2:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: In positive news, Trump has been calling both Putin and Zelenskyy today and seems to be on the path to reopening negotiations for peace - meanwhile we have a SoD no longer making demands like, "Crimea be returned to Ukraine" that will never be accepted.
That rather depends on whether both Zelenskyy and Putin are earnest. I don't think Putin is; agreeing to a ceasefire and abandoning his totalist aims will be seen as a defeat in domestic Russian eyes, especially after losing almost 1 million casualties. Putin will be ripe for an overthrow at that point -- and more importantly, he knows it.
He may make nods to negotiations, but his acceding to any compromise will be the end of his power.
Zelenskyy, too, will suffer greatly politically if he allows Russia to keep its ill-gotten gains. He also knows that it will not forestall further Russian aggression, but rather provide them time to rearm and reinvade.
(February 12, 2025 at 2:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: The money laundering at the expense of Ukrainian and Russian lives might finally be wrapping up, thank god.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 5:30 pm
Trumps idea of peace in Ukraine or really any international relations
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 6:12 pm
It's amazing. You can predict the appearance of russian sympathizers like a flock of geese. Whenever russia blunders it's way into some advantageous position they caw about russian inevitability....and whenever russia subsequently blunders it's way into ruin, to make noises about not believing your lying fucking eyes.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 6:35 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 4:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Not in crimea.
Crimea river.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 7:02 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2025 at 7:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
On July 15th of 2024, russias last patrol vessel in crimea left. They have all rebased elsewhere...where boats aren't constantly being promoted to reef or submarine by a country with no navy.
Whatever else happens in the war, however the war ends, ukraine will go down in the books as the singlemost effective (and surprising!) naval combatant the world has ever known. No one else in the full annals of military history has ever done such a thing. So.....pretty sure crimea is on the concessions board...whether russia likes it or not.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 12, 2025 at 7:02 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 5:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (February 12, 2025 at 2:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: In positive news, Trump has been calling both Putin and Zelenskyy today and seems to be on the path to reopening negotiations for peace - meanwhile we have a SoD no longer making demands like, "Crimea be returned to Ukraine" that will never be accepted.
That rather depends on whether both Zelenskyy and Putin are earnest. I don't think Putin is; agreeing to a ceasefire and abandoning his totalist aims will be seen as a defeat in domestic Russian eyes, especially after losing almost 1 million casualties. Putin will be ripe for an overthrow at that point -- and more importantly, he knows it.
He may make nods to negotiations, but his acceding to any compromise will be the end of his power.
Zelenskyy, too, will suffer greatly politically if he allows Russia to keep its ill-gotten gains. He also knows that it will not forestall further Russian aggression, but rather provide them time to rearm and reinvade.
(February 12, 2025 at 2:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: The money laundering at the expense of Ukrainian and Russian lives might finally be wrapping up, thank god.
The question is; to what extent do the Russians realise how many have been slaughtered. State media seem to go extrodinary lengths to obfuscate that.
Every so often something leaks or someone puts 2 and 2 together and there's a flicker of protest but it gets silenced pretty quick.
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