OK Bill to allow parents to sue teachers if they teach anything that opposes religion

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

While I disagree with it, I think parents should be allowed to ensure that their kids get a Christian education. But laws aren't necessary for this - simply send your kids to a Christian school.

And pay for the privilege.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

They think that they, as parents, should be able to dictate that other peoples children also receive a christian education. That there be nothing but christian education in the us. That's the beef with public schools. The point is to shut them down entirely.

We do have laws explicitly stating that people can select a christian education for their children. I think it's good that they're in place. That's why christian agitprop and legislation rounds down to theater. They campaign on and then write laws that are already the law of the land. This whole bounty hunter thing is it's own baby, ofc.


Christians won't be a majority or even a plurality in the us for much longer, though, and they'll end up needing the sorts of protections they would deny others. They certainly aren't going to want to live in a country where bounty hunting makes constitutional protections unenforceable. You'd think they would understand that, given the first few chapters of their favorite story.

[AFTT47]

As most of you know, the decline of Christianity in the US is steady and inexorable. I imagine many of the most religious people are feeling a sense of desperation at this point. They'll do or say anything to stop the bleeding. The harder they push though, the quicker younger people jump off the Christian train.

[Paleophyte]

The bill is a farce that's 3 pages long and reads like it was written by somebody who didn't know what a court room was. Sadly, it will never pass. I say "sadly" because as written it would allow anybody to sue pretty much everybody in Oklahoma for making any statement that contradicted any of the thousands of religions that have ever been concocted. You could bankrupt the fools who wrote it in seconds with the court costs alone.

[arewethereyet]

This is all so strange to me. I went to Catholic school from 6th grade through high school. Though we did have to attend religion classes, we were also taught science to include evolution. The school turned out a lot of college bound kids and things like science and math were emphasized for that reason.

Some of our religion classes included things like "Towards Marriage" and "World Religions". They didn't seem to be afraid to teach us things outside of the Catholic religion.

I guess I was lucky to have attended a more progressive parochial school system.

[The Grand Nudger]

It was the rise of evangelical dominionism that made christian schools such uniform garbage. Before that, they operated on the same standards either de jure or de facto. Mostly because of the rise in competitive college entrance exams - due to an increase in real terms of granted funding for public education.

There are alot of us who had a private christian education and didn't turn out to be flaming dunces. Not so much anymore, as that's become the purity line.

[arewethereyet]

I guess my town (diocese) finally learned and changed how the schools were run. There was only a public kindergarten in town, all other schools were Catholic.

When my dad wanted to go to vet school he had to go to college for a while to get the maths and sciences that weren't available to him when he attended the Catholic schools in town. He had to have them in order to get into Iowa State. By the time I got there (dad's hometown), the curriculum was much better.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This is all so strange to me.  I went to Catholic school from 6th grade through high school.  Though we did have to attend religion classes, we were also taught science to include evolution.  The school turned out a lot of college bound kids and things like science and math were emphasized for that reason.

Some of our religion classes included things like "Towards Marriage" and "World Religions".  They didn't seem to be afraid to teach us things outside of the Catholic religion.

I guess I was lucky to have attended a more progressive parochial school system.

Much the same here - I had an exclusively Catholic school primary/secondary education. Religion courses took up one hour a day out of six. The other five were filled with secular subjects - maths, science, history, language and the like. I didn’t feel slighted.

But Nudger makes an excellent point - the insistence that schools not teach anything that ‘conflicts with religion’ is firmly at the feet of a particular brand of religionists.

Boru

[Ferrocyanide]

While I disagree with it, I think parents should be allowed to ensure that their kids get a Christian education. But laws aren't necessary for this - simply send your kids to a Christian school.

And pay for the privilege.

Boru

I'm fine with that as long as they physically do not beat up the kids.
As for hell, some call it psychological abuse. I think it helps some people question their religion eventually.
Some will continue to believe but I think that is normal. Human mentality, ability, capacity varies a lot.

I hear that the mormons give importance to the family unit. That their divorce rate is low. That is a beautiful thing.
The side effect is that maybe they'll kick a kid out if he dumps mormonism, or has sex before marriage, they force them to marry very young, they put on a fake smile when talking to people they don't like.
Well, there are always side effects.

Personally, I think it would be better to teach about a large number of religions to kids. That's how it was in Quebec public schools. The only think missing from that class was talks about Jim Jones, and other cults. I think voodoo was missing as well. I know that mormonism, scientology was missing.
It's not a good idea to isolate yourself with your own people, your own religion.

(There is the westboro baptist church, Jim Baker, Clefto Dollar, Heaven's gates, Scientology and plenty more to learn about.)