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A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(February 27, 2022 at 2:06 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: The problem with this argument is that god is a design and requires a designer and the theist can’t offer an explanation for how this design (god’s body) came into existence nor how the environment where he exists in came into existence without a designer, nor how the laws of physics of his environment came into existence.

It's a fundamental tenet of all monotheism that God is not a design and does not require a designer. How the undesigned God gives rise to the laws of physics is explained in a number of similar ways, mostly on Neoplatonic principles. 

If you have an argument as to why this is false, you'd have to address the long series of arguments as to why monotheist theologians believe it. 

And for those fans of the Burden of Proof out there, Ferro has asserted that "god is a design and requires a designer," so if the Burden of Proof law is in force, he has the burden here.

It's very simple.
It is the design argument:
It takes the form of "This human body or that lifeform is complex, therefore it is designed."
Well, god would need to have a brain in order to think, which itself is a complex design.


An argument about what? This is basic logic.

Is monotheism claiming that the god-alien is a mindless entity and it is simpler than us?
Because that is what naturalists are claiming: That life started with basic chemistry and that a soup of molecule are simpler than us (and mindless).
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#32
RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
Some complex things are, of course, designed, by Us. Comparing artificial versus natural selection, I do not know how anyone could confound the latter with the former, except to appeal to a disinterested, lazy God who, for whatever reason, decided to obliterate most of his creation from time in this slow progression to become a member of H. Sapiens, so that he could orchestrate his own execution to satisfy his own moral principles that after eons and eons of death and destruction some need for him to propitiate himself.

Ordinarily, I would recommend cognitive behavior therapy for such an individual.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(February 27, 2022 at 7:15 pm)Belacqua Wrote: This has been a basic tenet of theology for millennia.
Wow, millenia!? How impressive!  Clap
And it still couldnt demonstrate the truth of its claim?
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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