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A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
That's straight up propaganda. It's the US's position that a strong, stable, open, and free russia is in our interest. You can conceive of this cynically if you like, ala we want that as a counterweight to china, but there it is.

No one was attacking russia, no one wanted to get rid of russia. No one was going to launch nukes at russia. They're not responding to an existential threat nor are they trying to redress historic grievance. It's a land grab. Period.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 10:05 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(March 23, 2022 at 3:19 am)Deesse23 Wrote: You dont seem to know the basics of international law. That does not make this a conspiracy, it just shows your ignorance.
There is an antidote to this (ignorance)

These are man made laws and they are made by people who make laws that tend to benefit themselves or causes as little trouble to themselves as possible or they are designed to not upset their allies.
Such laws do not negatively impact the countries that establish those laws. It only negatively impacts foreign countries.

So the question remains. Why do the borders as setup by Soviet Russia get respected by the UN?

(March 23, 2022 at 8:56 am)Deesse23 Wrote: ...and that is a justification of what?
Russia (and its allies) has attacked the Ottoman Empire in the past 300 years numerous times, conquering Ukraine, Crimera, et al.

What’s wrong with attacking the Ottoman Empire?
It’s been well established that turks are invaders in Asia Minor. There were already well established nations on those lands and the turks invaded, killed off people and took over.

According to local rules, I am not allowed to kill my neighbor and take his house and other belongings. Why is it that on the international level, this is acceptable?

(March 23, 2022 at 6:54 am)Nomad Wrote: Every single bit of the bolded part is a lie.

Alright. What is your version of the truth?

The information I posted comes from this
Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
By The University of Chicago
Length = 1:14:15

The truth, not my version but the objective verified facts, is that twice in 2014 Russia invaded sovereign Ukrainian territory, the Crimea and the Donbas, in contravention of international law and the Minsk accords signed by Russia. Since then Russia has been fighting an agressive and undeclared war against Ukraine committing many war crimes on a continuous basis. And it wasn't started by anti-Russia actions in Ukraine but because the democratic revolution in the county put the fear on Putain that he'd be toppled by his own people (remember, he did the exact same thing six years earlier in Georgia), and that he was losing control over another country he considered at best a vassal state.

Oh, and while the US was happy to accept eastern European countries into NATO en masse it was those countries themselves who were pushing expansion.
Believe the pro-Russia neo-nazi bullshit if you want, but don't ever intimate it comes within the same universe as the truth.
The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!
Big James
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
Fact is, though, the West has worked, if only implicitly, against the 5 or so countries in the World who are officially communist, and are happy to spread Western, democratic values and governments throughout the World. Not everyone, of course, agrees or wants this, especially, in those areas of the World where autocrats are in power.

While I would personally like to see Western, humanitarian values in places like Saudi Arabia, setting the entire World along the path of Western democratic consumerism is going to result in an environmental meltdown.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
No, it won't. It's probably the only way to avoid environmental meltdown. Take a look at the petrostates.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 25, 2022 at 8:21 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's straight up propaganda.  It's the US's position that a strong, stable, open, and free russia is in our interest.  You can conceive of this cynically if you like, ala we want that as a counterweight to china, but there it is.

No one was attacking russia, no one wanted to get rid of russia.  No one was going to launch nukes at russia.  They're not responding to an existential threat nor are they trying to redress historic grievance.  It's a land grab.  Period.

I think the USA’s view is that every country should be like them, have open markets, be democratic, be free and so on. Most of all, the USA wants leaders in other countries to be on their side.
However, there are a lot of countries where the leaders see that as a threat to them and therefore, the USA is their enemy.

So, when Russia setup nuclear missiles in Cuba, the USA did not like it.
It’s the same with the current situation. Russia does not like it when the USA is setting up shop near their borders.
When Russia sent a sub to the North pole and planted a flag under the ocean, Canada did not like it and I imagine the USA did not like it.
Russia claims that the upper parts of Canada, where you have some random small islands does not belong to Canada and has sent submarines and is interested in petrol. Again, this is something that Canada doesn’t want. I don’t know the details but I think Canada has stationed a small group of people on some of those islands as evidence that it is Canadian territory.

Look at the case of Iraq. The USA decided to invade Iraq, destroy its army and Sadam Hussein in order to establish freedom. Do you think that is how Russia and China and North Korea views it?
For sure, they discuss what the USA is up to. The USA calls its NATO partners to go to Iraq, destroy it, take the petrol. That’s probably how they view it.
The USA repeated the same kind of thing in Lybia, in Central America, I think in Nicaragua and such.

Each views their way as the right way.

(March 25, 2022 at 9:05 am)Nomad Wrote:
(March 23, 2022 at 10:05 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: These are man made laws and they are made by people who make laws that tend to benefit themselves or causes as little trouble to themselves as possible or they are designed to not upset their allies.
Such laws do not negatively impact the countries that establish those laws. It only negatively impacts foreign countries.

So the question remains. Why do the borders as setup by Soviet Russia get respected by the UN?


What’s wrong with attacking the Ottoman Empire?
It’s been well established that turks are invaders in Asia Minor. There were already well established nations on those lands and the turks invaded, killed off people and took over.

According to local rules, I am not allowed to kill my neighbor and take his house and other belongings. Why is it that on the international level, this is acceptable?


Alright. What is your version of the truth?

The information I posted comes from this
Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
By The University of Chicago
Length = 1:14:15

The truth, not my version but the objective verified facts, is that twice in 2014 Russia invaded sovereign Ukrainian territory, the Crimea and the Donbas, in contravention of international law and the Minsk accords signed by Russia. Since then Russia has been fighting an agressive and undeclared war against Ukraine committing many war crimes on a continuous basis.  And it wasn't started by anti-Russia actions in Ukraine but because the democratic revolution in the county put the fear on Putain that he'd be toppled by his own people (remember, he did the exact same thing six years earlier in Georgia), and that he was losing control over another country he considered at best a vassal state.

Oh, and while the US was happy to accept eastern European countries into NATO en masse it was those countries themselves who were pushing expansion.
Believe the pro-Russia neo-nazi bullshit if you want, but don't ever intimate it comes within the same universe as the truth.

Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine. If they don’t do it, who will?
Signing papers is great but the most important thing is to have a powerful army and to have enough material and energy resources to have long wars.
All wars are a matter of resources.

Europe is trying to put pressure on Russia with sanctions. That’s great but where are they getting their natural gas and other needs now? I hear that Japan sent a large tanker with liquid natural gas.
Germany refused to refuse Russia gas. India is buying the gas for cheap.

I wasn’t following this stuff too closely so I took a look at what is available from 2014.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

Quote:Successive Ukrainian governments in the 2000s sought a closer relationship with the European Union (EU).[43][44] The government of president Viktor Yanukovych had been negotiating an association agreement with the European Union since 2012.[45] Such comprehensive trade agreement with the EU would have impacted Ukraine's trade agreements with Russia, the latter being Ukraine's biggest trade partner at the time.[46] Yanukovych believed that the complications could be addressed, and he said that he intended to enter the agreement,[47] but continued to postpone.[48] This was interpreted as an attempt to back out of signing this agreement, and led to a wave of protests which came to be known as the "Euromaidan" movement.[49]
Pro-European Union Euromaidan protesters in Kyiv, December 2013.

Protests originally erupted in November 2013 after Yanukovych refused to sign the association agreement with the EU at a meeting of the Eastern Partnership in Vilnius, Lithuania, choosing closer ties with Russia instead. Prime Minister Mykola Azarov had asked for €20 billion (US$27 billion) in loans and aid.[50] The EU was willing to offer €610 million ($838 million) in loans,[51] but Russia was willing to offer $15 billion,[51] as well as cheaper gas prices.[51] In addition, the EU demanded major changes to Ukraine's regulations and laws, but Russia did not.[50] Russia also applied economic pressure on Ukraine and launched a propaganda campaign against the EU deal.[52]

Yanukovych was widely disliked in Ukraine's west but had some support in the east, where his native Russian is much more spoken, and in the south. The rallies were initially peaceful but became violent in January 2014 after parliament, dominated by Yanukovych's supporters, passed laws intended to repress the protests. The European Union and the United States urged Yanukovych to negotiate a peaceful end to the conflict and said they would impose sanctions on government officials if they were found responsible for violence.[53]

In the lead-up to the February revolution an amnesty agreement was made with protesters wherein they would be spared criminal charges in exchange for leaving occupied buildings.[54] The demonstrators vacated all occupied Regional State Administration buildings, and activists in Kyiv left the Hrushevskoho Street standoff; Kyiv's City Hall was also released back to government control on 16 February.[54] All those previously jailed for taking part in protests were scheduled to be released after 17 February.[54]

On 14 February, Yanukovych had said: "I want to say that I was incited, and I'm incited to use various methods and ways how to settle the situation, but I want to say I don't want to be at war. I don't want any decisions made using such a radical way."[55] He called on all politicians to refrain from radicalism and to understand that "there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and this line is law".[55]

Quote:Oh, and while the US was happy to accept eastern European countries into NATO en masse it was those countries themselves who were pushing expansion.
Believe the pro-Russia neo-nazi bullshit if you want, but don't ever intimate it comes within the same universe as the truth.


Probably a lot of the people of those countries dislike the way things were during communist times so they want to distance themselves from Russia.
Also, who knows what is being talked about behind closed doors. Do these countries really need NATO? Are they seeking protection? Is the USA offering protection?

What is happening in Ukraine right now is a perfect moment to show how the USA can protect anyone.
What is stopping the USA? A piece of paper was not signed?
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: So, when Russia setup nuclear missiles in Cuba, the USA did not like it.
It’s the same with the current situation. Russia does not like it when the USA is setting up shop near their borders.
No
Not the same but an equivocation. A real bad one at that, since you need to demonstrate that Ukraine is not acting on her own behalf)

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: When Russia sent a sub to the North pole and planted a flag under the ocean, Canada did not like it and I imagine the USA did not like it.
Russia claims that the upper parts of Canada, where you have some random small islands does not belong to Canada and has sent submarines and is interested in petrol. Again, this is something that Canada doesn’t want. I don’t know the details but I think Canada has stationed a small group of people on some of those islands as evidence that it is Canadian territory.
More, very bad ones, equivocations.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Look at the case of Iraq. The USA decided to invade Iraq, destroy its army and Sadam Hussein in order to establish freedom. Do you think that is how Russia and China and North Korea views it?
For sure, they discuss what the USA is up to. The USA calls its NATO partners to go to Iraq, destroy it, take the petrol. That’s probably how they view it.
The USA repeated the same kind of thing in Lybia, in Central America, I think in Nicaragua and such.
Which is all but irrelevant to the evaluation of the russian invasion of another country. Whataboutism is not a good argument, as i already have explained to Jehanne (iirc).

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Each views their way as the right way.
Ans none of that is relevant to the evaluation of the russian invasion of another country.
Or are we at the "its just your opinion, dude" stage in this conversation?


(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine.
Thats what russian government controlled media are spewing, propaganda. Got some facts to support this?


(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Signing papers is great but the most important thing is to have a powerful army and to have enough material and energy resources to have long wars.
All wars are a matter of resources.
And this (like many arguments and fallacies before that one) does not justify an invasion.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Europe is trying to put pressure on Russia with sanctions. That’s great but where are they getting their natural gas and other needs now?
Quatar and the US
Not optimal choices considering the track record of those two, but a step forward.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Germany refused to refuse Russia gas.
And Russia refused to stop delivering gas.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 27, 2022 at 3:28 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: So, when Russia setup nuclear missiles in Cuba, the USA did not like it.
It’s the same with the current situation. Russia does not like it when the USA is setting up shop near their borders.
No
Not the same but an equivocation. A real bad one at that, since you need to demonstrate that Ukraine is not acting on her own behalf)

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: When Russia sent a sub to the North pole and planted a flag under the ocean, Canada did not like it and I imagine the USA did not like it.
Russia claims that the upper parts of Canada, where you have some random small islands does not belong to Canada and has sent submarines and is interested in petrol. Again, this is something that Canada doesn’t want. I don’t know the details but I think Canada has stationed a small group of people on some of those islands as evidence that it is Canadian territory.
More, very bad ones, equivocations.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Look at the case of Iraq. The USA decided to invade Iraq, destroy its army and Sadam Hussein in order to establish freedom. Do you think that is how Russia and China and North Korea views it?
For sure, they discuss what the USA is up to. The USA calls its NATO partners to go to Iraq, destroy it, take the petrol. That’s probably how they view it.
The USA repeated the same kind of thing in Lybia, in Central America, I think in Nicaragua and such.
Which is all but irrelevant to the evaluation of the russian invasion of another country. Whataboutism is not a good argument, as i already have explained to Jehanne (iirc).

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Each views their way as the right way.
Ans none of that is relevant to the evaluation of the russian invasion of another country.
Or are we at the "its just your opinion, dude" stage in this conversation?


(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine.
Thats what russian government controlled media are spewing, propaganda. Got some facts to support this?


(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Signing papers is great but the most important thing is to have a powerful army and to have enough material and energy resources to have long wars.
All wars are a matter of resources.
And this (like many arguments and fallacies before that one) does not justify an invasion.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Europe is trying to put pressure on Russia with sanctions. That’s great but where are they getting their natural gas and other needs now?
Quatar and the US
Not optimal choices considering the track record of those two, but a step forward.

(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Germany refused to refuse Russia gas.
And Russia refused to stop delivering gas.


Look. I understand that you do not like what Russia is doing, you do not agree with their actions.
I’m not here to defend what Russia is doing.
I am just telling you that what is happening is predictable.
The politicians in the EU and in the USA are not dummies. They know very well Russia. Yet, the EU and USA goes ahead with their decisions.
So, what exactly did they do to incite Russia to send a large army into Ukraine 1 month ago?

You seem to be saying that Ukraine should join NATO and the USA should have military bases there.

Quote:No
Not the same but an equivocation. A real bad one at that, since you need to demonstrate that Ukraine is not acting on her own behalf)

No, that is irrelevant.
The important component here is that there are 2 large mutual enemies: USA and Russia.
The USA continues to view Russia as problematic, even after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia responds.
The USA wants to setup military bases everywhere in the world and you think Russia, China are not noticing that?


Quote:More, very bad ones, equivocations.

I was only documenting about some of the political games that these nations are playing.
For example, I said that Russia wants to explore the upper regions of Canada where you have some random small islands.
If you were the canadian government, what would you do?

Quote:Which is all but irrelevant to the evaluation of the russian invasion of another country. Whataboutism is not a good argument, as i already have explained to Jehanne (iirc).

Like I said previously, I am not trying to defend what Russia is doing.
What I am saying is very simple:
The USA takes action X.
Russia responds.
The USA responds.
and on and on it goes.

Do you want that to continue?
If you were the government of the USA, what decisions would you take? Would you go ahead and have Ukraine join NATO and would you setup military bases over there?

Quote:Thats what russian government controlled media are spewing, propaganda. Got some facts to support this?

In order to have such facts, you would have to discuss the situation with the people over there or you have to be living over there.
In the case of Ukraine, I do not truly know but I think it makes sense.
I follow armenian channels on Youtube and there are quite a lot of anti-russian sentiment over there. The population is split. Some are pro-russian and some are not.

It sounds like you are saying there is no anti-russian sentiment over there and you require me to provide evidence.
I’m sorry, but I cannot satisfy your request but maybe you can contact a large number of ukrainians and have discussions with them and watch some ukrainian channels.

Quote:And this (like many arguments and fallacies before that one) does not justify an invasion.

I’m not here to defend what Russia is doing.
I am just telling you that what is happening is predictable.

Quote:Quatar and the US
Not optimal choices considering the track record of those two, but a step forward.


It is a complicated world.


Quote:Germany refused to refuse Russia gas.

And Russia refused to stop delivering gas.

It is a complicated world.


I am also going to copy my previous line since you did not respond to it:
What is happening in Ukraine right now is a perfect moment to show how the USA can protect anyone.
What is stopping the USA? A piece of paper was not signed?
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine. If they don’t do it, who will?

So they're protecting these people from themselves now? The only people who have been killing ethnic Russian Ukrainians have been members of the Russian army. It's gotten so bad now that (outside of the two puppet Donbas dictatorships) pretty much all Russians in Ukraine have become heavily anti-Russia.

Mariupol is a majority ethnic Russian city, who's blowing it to shit and back? Russia. You can say the same of other eastern Ukrainian cities like Zaporizhia or Kharkiv, the Russians are bombing the shit out of their fellow ethnic Russians who are becoming passionately loyal to Ukraine as a result.

As I said in my last response to you, believe your own bullshit if you want, but don't for a minute think that people with an iota of independent thought will be taken in by it.
The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!
Big James
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 27, 2022 at 10:11 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: What is happening in Ukraine right now is a perfect moment to show how the USA can protect anyone.
What is stopping the USA? A piece of paper was not signed?

There may be some small reluctance to start World War III.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 27, 2022 at 3:35 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(March 26, 2022 at 11:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine. If they don’t do it, who will?

So they're protecting these people from themselves now?  The only people who have been killing ethnic Russian Ukrainians have been members of the Russian army.  It's gotten so bad now that (outside of the two puppet Donbas dictatorships) pretty much all Russians in Ukraine have become heavily anti-Russia.

Mariupol is a majority ethnic Russian city, who's blowing it to shit and back? Russia. You can say the same of other eastern Ukrainian cities like Zaporizhia or Kharkiv, the Russians are bombing the shit out of their fellow ethnic Russians who are becoming passionately loyal to Ukraine as a result.

As I said in my last response to you, believe your own bullshit if you want, but don't for a minute think that people with an iota of independent thought will be taken in by it.


That’s quite possible. I’m sure that there are plenty of russians in Ukraine and in Russia who dislike Putin and there are those who want him in power.
It’s the same in Armenia.


Then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

Quote:On 23 February, parliament adopted a bill to repeal the country's law on minority languages. If signed by the president, the bill would have disestablished Russian as a minority language of Ukraine, although regions like Crimea are populated by a Russian-speaking majority.[278]

This indicates that there is friction between ukranians and russians.
Deesse23 was having doubts when I said:
“Russia is protecting russian people who are in Ukraine.”

His response was:
Thats what russian government controlled media are spewing, propaganda. Got some facts to support this?

and my response was:
In order to have such facts, you would have to discuss the situation with the people over there or you have to be living over there.
In the case of Ukraine, I do not truly know but I think it makes sense.
I follow armenian channels on Youtube and there are quite a lot of anti-russian sentiment over there. The population is split. Some are pro-russian and some are not.
It sounds like you are saying there is no anti-russian sentiment over there and you require me to provide evidence.
I’m sorry, but I cannot satisfy your request but maybe you can contact a large number of ukrainians and have discussions with them and watch some ukrainian channels.


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But apparently there is more to the story. There are petrol or natural gas reserves that Shell and Exxon are interested in extracting in Ukraine. Probably another reason for Russia to invade the region.
The same applies to the USA. It makes good business sense for the USA to massage the back of Ukraine, bring them into NATO and establish some large USA (and friends) companies in Ukraine.

Quote:As I said in my last response to you, believe your own bullshit if you want, but don't for a minute think that people with an iota of independent thought will be taken in by it.


OK, so I guess I have to be like you:
Hey everybody, Ukraine didn’t do anything, the USA didn’t do anything. Putin woke up one day and for no reason at all, took a map and without looking put his finger on the map and said “Today, we will invade this country. Unfortunately, his finger had landed on Ukraine. Putin plays dice to decide which country to invade.”

(March 27, 2022 at 4:41 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 27, 2022 at 10:11 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: What is happening in Ukraine right now is a perfect moment to show how the USA can protect anyone.
What is stopping the USA? A piece of paper was not signed?

There may be some small reluctance to start World War III.

I definitely do not want that and probably there are a few million people fleeing Ukraine who do not want to fight either.
But if they (USA) are telling me that they don’t want to send soldiers to fight russians just bc of some paper was not signed, I consider that a joke.
Just a month ago the USA was very much willing to sign the papers. When Russia invaded Ukraine, the ink in their pen dried up?

It reminds me of a similar situation in Syria. The USA armed the kurds to fight ISIS. Turkey has a history of destroying kurdish culture and they don’t want the Kurds to have their own country..... so bottom line, Turkey decided this is the perfect time to bomb the kurds, so they entered into Syria just to bomb the kurds (and they don’t touch ISIS at all).
The kurdish groups felt like the USA is not protecting them. Some quit. Some went to join ISIS since with ISIS, they form a stronger alliance and can kill some turks.
Eventually, the USA army intervened but later on, they pulled out their soldiers from Syria and let Turkey do whatever it wants.

This kind of thing doesn’t make the USA look like a good ally.
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