California about to be the first state to administer reparations!s

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And I was talking specifically about your statement ‘So you ain’t getting a motherfucking nickel out of me.’ If it’s paid for out of general taxation, they ARE getting a motherfucking nickel out of you, whether you like it or not.

But Nudger brings up an interesting point. Let’s say the sale of federal lands was adopted as a means to fund reparations. Would you purchase 1000 acres of land for $100 if you knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the money you paid was to be used to pay reparations to the descendants of enslaved Americans?

Boru

Awful selective of your choice of victims..


I' m sure there' s some red skinned chaps that feel you'd be selling off THEIR land......


Have fun.

I notice how you neatly sidestepped my question.

You said earlier that you consider yourself exempt from the whole reparations issues because your ancestors outlawed slavery. This thread is almost entirely about reparations for the descendants of enslaved people.

If you’ll answer my question - either way - I’ll donate $10 000 to the Lithuanian charity of your choice.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

For the record, it’s not like you can pick and choose where the money you spend goes. If that were the case, I’d have done everything legally within my power to defund our bloated military and it’s perpetual wars. It all goes into a general pool of tax revenue, and it’s one that every citizen above a certain income level has to put in. So, if reparation efforts end up being paid for by taxes, it’s coming from taxpayers of all ethnicities, whether they’re white descendants of slaveholders, white people who weren’t descended from slaveholders, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, and even black people. Once the money’s in the revenue pool, it doesn’t matter who each individual dollar came from; it belongs to the IRS  now and they will spend it however they see fit. That’s how taxation works.

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Awful selective of your choice of victims..


I' m sure there' s some red skinned chaps that feel you'd be selling off THEIR land......


Have fun.

I don’t think Khem was talking about selling off the reservations, dude. Yes, I know that the many Native American tribes used to lay claim to most every square foot of the US (and I found out recently from native-land.ca that where I live has been claimed by Six different tribes as having once been theirs) but I think that by this point they’ve come to terms with the fact that they’re never getting the bulk of it back. It’s worth noting that even the Land Back movement, for all its talk of getting back everything stolen from the indigenous people, tends in practice to concentrate more on getting smaller individual parcels of land than just trying to get everything.

Yeah we know we're never getting the whole thing back. Nor should we

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Awful selective of your choice of victims..


I' m sure there' s some red skinned chaps that feel you'd be selling off THEIR land......


Have fun.

I notice how you neatly sidestepped my question.

You said earlier that you consider yourself exempt from the whole reparations issues because your ancestors outlawed slavery. This thread is almost entirely about reparations for the descendants of enslaved people.

If you’ll answer my question - either way - I’ll donate $10 000 to the Lithuanian charity of your choice.

Boru

How someone who lives in the US can regard themselves as exempt is odd

[Rev. Rye]

And if a pacifist can't be exempt from paying taxes to support the military, I don't see how your ancestors not doing slavery would make your tax dollars exempt from paying for reparations. Every penny you pay in taxes can be used for whatever the fuck the government decides they want to use it for and your preferences are irrelevant to that fact. After all, it's their money now, not yours.

[Huggy Bear]

(bold mine)

Yeah, that bit's really not your call.

Boru

So you are saying that I am only culpable by virtue of my skin colour and not because of any action on my part or my ancestor's part?

Gee... Isn' t that just racist as hell?

Your ancestors immigrated here to benefit off of the wealth generated by slavery. It would be like if someone robbed a person and gave you some of the money, YOU benefited from the robbery and can't claim zero culpability, at the very least you'd have to return what was taken. There's art that been looted during ww2 that's been either passed down to or purchased by people that didn't originally loot it, but it's understood that they have to return it back to the original owners if found out, same concept.

@Ranjr said I was overstating when I said that America wouldn't exist without slavery, which is 100% fact.

There were at least 10 attempts to colonize North America and they all failed with the exception of Jamestown. The first attempt to establish Jamestown FAILED because PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO WORK. It was such a failure that people had to resort to cannibalism in what is referred to as "The starving time". Jamestown obtained black slaves in 1619 and there rest is history.

@Rev. Rye was talking about 20 trillion was such an astronomical number, but according to an article on Bloomberg, in 1860 (keep in mind this is only accounting for ONE YEAR!), the economic wealth that slavery generated (adjusting for inflation and interest) is $42 trillion... again, that's how much wealth that slavery generated in one year would be worth now. If we just take those numbers and include all the years that slavery had been legal in the US (86, 1776 - 1865), not counting the years prior to the independence of the US, were looking at almost $4 quadrillion, 86 x 42 trillion which would be the wealth that slavery generated over 246 years, therefore, it's in no way an overstatement to say that slavery built America.

I reiterate, this is just a broad estimate based on the numbers of the article.

Four Numbers That Show the Cost of Slavery on Black Wealth Today

The racial wealth gap begins with slavery itself, which was a huge wealth generator for White Americans. The economic value of the 4 million slaves in 1860 was, on average, $1,000 per person, or about $4 billion total. That was more than all the banks, railroads and factories in the U.S. were worth at the time. In today’s dollars, that would come out to as much as $42 trillion, accounting for inflation and compounding interest.

Slaves didn’t just make slaveowners rich, they helped them get richer. “There were literally slave backed securities,” says Mehrsa Baradaran, author of The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap. Slavery was also the engine driving the cotton economy, which enriched everyone from banks, shopkeepers, and insurers, too. Meanwhile, slaves lost out on an estimated $20.3 trillion in wages for their labor.

*emphasis mine*

[onlinebiker]

Awful selective of your choice of victims..


I' m sure there' s some red skinned chaps that feel you'd be selling off THEIR land......


Have fun.

I notice how you neatly sidestepped my question.

You said earlier that you consider yourself exempt from the whole reparations issues because your ancestors outlawed slavery. This thread is almost entirely about reparations for the descendants of enslaved people.

If you’ll answer my question - either way - I’ll donate $10 000 to the Lithuanian charity of your choice.

Boru

You bet I will take that deal - provided it' ll shut everyone up.

Do the math to your silly scenario --- 

I will get 1000 acres at 10 cents per acre - and if we sell ALL the federal land - each and every black person in the US will get less than 2 bucks each.....

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My favorite Lithuanian charity is me.


I take Paypal....

[The Architect Of Fate]

Awful selective of your choice of victims..


I' m sure there' s some red skinned chaps that feel you'd be selling off THEIR land......


Have fun.

I notice how you neatly sidestepped my question.

You said earlier that you consider yourself exempt from the whole reparations issues because your ancestors outlawed slavery. This thread is almost entirely about reparations for the descendants of enslaved people.

If you’ll answer my question - either way - I’ll donate $10 000 to the Lithuanian charity of your choice.

Boru

And his response is dumb.Looks like you get to keep your money 

[Angrboda]

I notice how you neatly sidestepped my question.

You said earlier that you consider yourself exempt from the whole reparations issues because your ancestors outlawed slavery. This thread is almost entirely about reparations for the descendants of enslaved people.

If you’ll answer my question - either way - I’ll donate $10 000 to the Lithuanian charity of your choice.

Boru

You bet I will take that deal - provided it' ll shut everyone up.

Do the math to your silly scenario --- 

I will get 1000 acres at 10 cents per acre - and if we sell ALL the federal land - each and every black person in the US will get less than 2 bucks each.....

....
My favorite Lithuanian charity is me.


I take Paypal....

Nyet! You must accept payment in rouble!

[onlinebiker]

I had a couple of rubles years ago....

Crappy quality stamping of piss poor stainless steel. I got them from a crewman on a Russian ship we did a port boarding on in Anchorage. I really messed with his head when I gave him a silver half dollar....

He was impressed as hell - he could tell it was actually silver... He probably told everyone back home that all our change was real silver...