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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 10:59 am
(April 16, 2022 at 9:16 am)onlinebiker Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 3:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I said it looks like a deliberate murder. ‘Looks’ means ‘appears to be’ or ‘seems like’. It is a description of my impression of what happened, not necessarily what actually happened. Just like you did earlier in this thread, I’m giving an impression without knowing all the facts.
Boru
What specifically do you see in any of those videos that would give a prosecutor a reason to file murder charges?
I see manslaughter.
Tell me what you see that justifies a murder charge.
I don’t yet see anything that justifies a murder charge. At this point, I see a helluva lot that justifies an investigation as to whether such a charge is warranted.
Do I need to repeat what the phrase ‘looks like’ means? I mean, if you don’t understand, I’m happy to explain it to you again.
Boru
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 12:16 pm
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(April 16, 2022 at 10:29 am)Nomad Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 8:10 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Any part of " go fuck yourself" that you got problems with?
Not my fault you find the truth about yourself distateful.
You're right needledick.
There is nothing statelike about me....
(April 16, 2022 at 10:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 9:16 am)onlinebiker Wrote: What specifically do you see in any of those videos that would give a prosecutor a reason to file murder charges?
I see manslaughter.
Tell me what you see that justifies a murder charge.
I don’t yet see anything that justifies a murder charge. At this point, I see a helluva lot that justifies an investigation as to whether such a charge is warranted.
Do I need to repeat what the phrase ‘looks like’ means? I mean, if you don’t understand, I’m happy to explain it to you again.
Boru So to you a baby carriage " looks like" a Lambroghini Countach.... After all - they both have 4 wheels.....
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 12:26 pm
(April 16, 2022 at 12:16 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 10:29 am)Nomad Wrote: Not my fault you find the truth about yourself distateful.
You're right needledick.
There is nothing statelike about me....
(April 16, 2022 at 10:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t yet see anything that justifies a murder charge. At this point, I see a helluva lot that justifies an investigation as to whether such a charge is warranted.
Do I need to repeat what the phrase ‘looks like’ means? I mean, if you don’t understand, I’m happy to explain it to you again.
Boru So to you a baby carriage " looks like" a Lambroghini Countach.... After all - they both have 4 wheels.....
Yeah, that’s exactly what I meant. 
Question: Why is it acceptable for you - without any supportive evidence - to guess that the cop drew his gun with his finger on the trigger, but not acceptable for me - without any assertion of fact - that what happens in the video looks like a murder?
Try this: when Sonny Corleone got shot on the causeway, did it look like a murder?
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 12:43 pm
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(April 16, 2022 at 12:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 12:16 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You're right needledick.
There is nothing statelike about me....
So to you a baby carriage " looks like" a Lambroghini Countach.... After all - they both have 4 wheels.....
Yeah, that’s exactly what I meant.
Question: Why is it acceptable for you - without any supportive evidence - to guess that the cop drew his gun with his finger on the trigger, but not acceptable for me - without any assertion of fact - that what happens in the video looks like a murder?
Try this: when Sonny Corleone got shot on the causeway, did it look like a murder?
Boru
Because if you look carefully - in the video - it appears his finger IS on the trigger - and not alongside the frame - as it should be.
We have a dead guy - that's not in dispute. The cop, shot him in the back of the head. Again - not in dispute.
What you DON'T have - for it to be murder - and don't muddy the water with "it's not a charge" -- is anything to suggest that the officer did it INTENTIONALLY.
You need that, for murder.
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You have MORE evidence that it was NOT intentional.
The officer followed all procedures - right up to the killing.
He was polite - asked the guy to get back in the car.
When the guy refused to comply - the officer attempted to cuff the guy.
It went to foot chase, to wrestling match - to officer attempting to use taser.
FINALLY - HE PULLS HIS WEAPON - and from what I can see (and I did say this was just my opinion - not fact - in the OP) - he did it wrong.... Things went downhill from there.
I'll bet he says "The gun just went off". Just like Alec Baldwin.
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But that's not what happened. He fucked up.
Is he guilty of something? Sure. Manslaughter is my guess.
Not - as far as I can see - murder, or an execution.
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 1:46 pm
(April 16, 2022 at 10:19 am)onlinebiker Wrote: (April 16, 2022 at 10:09 am)Mermaid Wrote: FACT: The officer shot the man in the back of the head. The officer had no reason to pull out his gun and kill the man as his life was not in danger.
The whole premise of this OP is hung up on semantics. As the difference between execution (murder 1) and manslaughter is 7 years or life in prison - I' d say it' s more than a matter of semantics.
So you are apparently of the mind that this was manslaughter, which is defined as killing without forethought and malice, yet the officer pointed his gun at an unarmed man who was moving AWAY from him and popped a cap in his head.
I do not see this the same way you do, that is clear.
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 16, 2022 at 2:26 pm
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Moving away?
What video were you watching?
The cop is SITTING on him. He' s not going anywhere.
And even if he WERE that doesn' t mean it was intentional.
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 17, 2022 at 9:22 pm
Might not have been handled in the best way possible, but I didn't see the cop commit any crime. The guy was still in the process of wrestling the cop a second before the shot, pushing the cop up into the air with his back, and the guy had a weapon in his hand. Not saying things went perfectly smoothly, but the shooting looks justified to me. Him getting shot from behind looks bad optically, but that doesn't change the reality that he was wrestling the cop for a period of time and had a weapon that could neutralize the officer, even if that is an unlikely possibility, it's still there, and I think that's all that matters.
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 17, 2022 at 9:30 pm
Justified?
Not even.
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 17, 2022 at 9:38 pm
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RE: Grand Rapids Mi Shooting
April 17, 2022 at 9:38 pm
(April 17, 2022 at 9:30 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Justified?
Not even.
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He couldn't get the taser from him after a struggle for a decent length of time. He couldn't cuff him. He didn't know what all of the people around him were doing, so he was leaving himself open to harm that way. The man was still in the process of resisting a second before he was shot and he had a weapon.
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