Who will be closest regarding what life James Webb finds.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

We're not clever enough to screw up our own extinction. It's already underway. And accelerating.

Boru

In all honesty were more lightly to screw up and go into another dark ages. All it takes is for man to screw up enough and the cultural pressure backwards will be unstoppable. I think this sort of issue of screwing up and going backwards is common place in the early development off civilisation more so than total annihilation. So my bet is with Anomalocaris we will lightly totally screw up annihilating ourselves. Just think how easy it would be to go backwards right now if Russia started launching nukes the people would survive but given a significant enough amount of damage people could start to perceive progress more as the enemy. If we don't go this way we still may improve over a more intensive fossil fuel era but people shouldn't count their chickens on man not screwing up.

The dodo, the great auk, and the passenger pigeon would like to weigh in.

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

The circumstances of their extinctions are not to be found with humans.   Humans, by crafting tools and  planning in a versatile manner, and by eating each other metaphorically speaking, have achieved the adaptability to eek out continued existence in virtually every environment where any land quadrupeds has adapted to survive.    Therefore remnant but viable human populations can be expected to survive any event or process through which some percentage of land mammals, reptiles or birds survive.     So I think human specie would likely likely survive any of the great global extinction events known to have afflicted the earth in the last 600 million years, including sudden onset events such as K-pg impact that did in the dinosaurs, or protracted events such as end-Permian extinction.  

We may not be quite as hard to eradicate as cockroaches, but we are probably close.

I think the only real chance for humans to extinctify ourselves will come from humans collectively embark on some truly monumental geo-emgineering projects that becomes self-sustaining amd then go awry,  and result either in true run-away green house effect or a repeat of snowball earth that basically does away with all large land dwelling animals. 

And we are not that cooperative or have our acts together nearly enough to do that.

[Nay_Sayer]

Exoplanets are interesting, but I'm wondering if the JWT will see so far back in space-time that it hits the Dark Ages period.

So a live feed of Afghanistan?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The circumstances of their extinctions are not to be found with humans.   Humans, by crafting tools and  planning in a versatile manner, and by eating each other metaphorically speaking, have achieved the adaptability to eek out continued existence in virtually every environment where any land quadrupeds has adapted to survive.    Therefore remnant but viable human populations can be expected to survive any event or process through which some percentage of land mammals, reptiles or birds survive.     So I think human specie would likely likely survive any of the great global extinction events known to have afflicted the earth in the last 600 million years, including sudden onset events such as K-pg impact that did in the dinosaurs, or protracted events such as end-Permian extinction.  

We may not be quite as hard to eradicate as cockroaches, but we are probably close.

I think the only real chance for humans to extinctify ourselves will come from humans collectively embark on some truly monumental geo-emgineering projects that becomes self-sustaining amd then go awry,  and result either in true run-away green house effect or a repeat of snowball earth that basically does away with all large land dwelling animals. 

And we are not that cooperative or have our acts together nearly enough to do that.

Bullshit. Human predation and/or habitat destruction are the proximate cause of each extinction. The rest of your word salad aside, it’s perfectly reasonable to presume that they will also be the cause of ours.

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

The circumstances of their extinctions are not to be found with humans.   Humans, by crafting tools and  planning in a versatile manner, and by eating each other metaphorically speaking, have achieved the adaptability to eek out continued existence in virtually every environment where any land quadrupeds has adapted to survive.    Therefore remnant but viable human populations can be expected to survive any event or process through which some percentage of land mammals, reptiles or birds survive.     So I think human specie would likely likely survive any of the great global extinction events known to have afflicted the earth in the last 600 million years, including sudden onset events such as K-pg impact that did in the dinosaurs, or protracted events such as end-Permian extinction.  

We may not be quite as hard to eradicate as cockroaches, but we are probably close.

I think the only real chance for humans to extinctify ourselves will come from humans collectively embark on some truly monumental geo-emgineering projects that becomes self-sustaining amd then go awry,  and result either in true run-away green house effect or a repeat of snowball earth that basically does away with all large land dwelling animals. 

And we are not that cooperative or have our acts together nearly enough to do that.

Bullshit. Human predation and/or habitat destruction are the proximate cause of each extinction. The rest of your word salad aside, it’s perfectly reasonable to presume that they will also be the cause of ours.

Boru

You should educate yourself.   Nothing recognizably human existed until 3 million years ago.    Each of the major natural global extinction events in earth’s history that came before the current anthropogenic one predate our existence by tens to hundreds of millions of years, and eliminated a higher percentage of species in the biosphere than the most dire projections of the current anthropogenic extinction event.

The animals that survive each global extinction tend to be those with the broad geographic distribution and able to adapt to wide range of environments and subsist on wide range of food sources.   If the extinction event is sudden, ability to go underground helps.  We check all the boxes for traits required of extinction event survivors.  That was not the case with the great auk, the dodo, or the passenger pigeons.   They each checked boxes for species particularly vulnerable to habitats loss or predation. 

I think any extinction event which will wipe us out, as opposed to killing large numbers but leaving numerous viable population of survivors, will likely have to be severe enough to make essentially all the land on earth uninhabitable by any animals larger than a large rat, and prevent all planting and harvesting, or foraging, for several continuous years at least.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Bullshit. Human predation and/or habitat destruction are the proximate cause of each extinction. The rest of your word salad aside, it’s perfectly reasonable to presume that they will also be the cause of ours.

Boru

You should educate yourself.   Nothing recognizably human existed until 3 million years ago.    Each of the major natural global extinction events in earth’s history that came before the current anthropogenic one predate our existence by tens to hundreds of millions of years, and eliminated a higher percentage of species in the biosphere than the most dire projections of the current anthropogenic extinction event.

The animals that survive each global extinction tend to be those with the broad geographic distribution and able to adapt to wide range of environments and subsist on wide range of food sources.   If the extinction event is sudden, ability to go underground helps.  We check all the boxes for traits required of extinction event survivors.  That was not the case with the great auk, the dodo, or the passenger pigeons.   They each checked boxes for species particularly vulnerable to habitats loss or predation. 

I think any extinction event which will wipe us out, as opposed to killing large numbers but leaving numerous viable population of survivors, will likely have to be severe enough to make essentially all the land on earth uninhabitable by any animals larger than a large rat, and prevent all planting and harvesting, or foraging, for several continuous years at least.

You should pay attention to what other people post. I was talking about three specific species, each of which went extinct since the 17th century.

Your obfuscating about global extinction events is both off point and a clumsy attempt to cover up a demonstrably wrong statement.

Boru

[highdimensionman]

Exoplanets are interesting, but I'm wondering if the JWT will see so far back in space-time that it hits the Dark Ages period.

So a live feed of Afghanistan?

Exactly the only thing that will help Afghanistan is peace in the region for a long enough time for them to realise it's time to head out of their arses. how long they actually need well how long is a piece of string never the less they are a bunch of backwards goat herders why we went there only a living snowman knows why so don't expect any good explanations any time soon.

[highdimensionman]

You should educate yourself.   Nothing recognizably human existed until 3 million years ago.    Each of the major natural global extinction events in earth’s history that came before the current anthropogenic one predate our existence by tens to hundreds of millions of years, and eliminated a higher percentage of species in the biosphere than the most dire projections of the current anthropogenic extinction event.

The animals that survive each global extinction tend to be those with the broad geographic distribution and able to adapt to wide range of environments and subsist on wide range of food sources.   If the extinction event is sudden, ability to go underground helps.  We check all the boxes for traits required of extinction event survivors.  That was not the case with the great auk, the dodo, or the passenger pigeons.   They each checked boxes for species particularly vulnerable to habitats loss or predation. 

I think any extinction event which will wipe us out, as opposed to killing large numbers but leaving numerous viable population of survivors, will likely have to be severe enough to make essentially all the land on earth uninhabitable by any animals larger than a large rat, and prevent all planting and harvesting, or foraging, for several continuous years at least.

You should pay attention to what other people post. I was talking about three specific species, each of which went extinct since the 17th century.

Your obfuscating about global extinction events is both off point and a clumsy attempt to cover up a demonstrably wrong statement.

Boru

I suppose we could wipe ourselves out the picture I just think us going back into another dark ages would be more lightly.
something that intrigued me about the big space program by jim alklele was that most of the goldilocks solar systems in the goldilocks zone of the galaxy are around 1 billion years older than ours. This might mean we are a bit like infants surrounded by wise old men so to speak. If they are out their they might have a lot to teach us and It also might mean less waring planetary youngsters in the region and more evolved life. pure speculation much like the debate on if we will annihilate ourselves something we may not know for sure until it's too late.

[Anomalocaris]

You should educate yourself.   Nothing recognizably human existed until 3 million years ago.    Each of the major natural global extinction events in earth’s history that came before the current anthropogenic one predate our existence by tens to hundreds of millions of years, and eliminated a higher percentage of species in the biosphere than the most dire projections of the current anthropogenic extinction event.

The animals that survive each global extinction tend to be those with the broad geographic distribution and able to adapt to wide range of environments and subsist on wide range of food sources.   If the extinction event is sudden, ability to go underground helps.  We check all the boxes for traits required of extinction event survivors.  That was not the case with the great auk, the dodo, or the passenger pigeons.   They each checked boxes for species particularly vulnerable to habitats loss or predation. 

I think any extinction event which will wipe us out, as opposed to killing large numbers but leaving numerous viable population of survivors, will likely have to be severe enough to make essentially all the land on earth uninhabitable by any animals larger than a large rat, and prevent all planting and harvesting, or foraging, for several continuous years at least.

You should pay attention to what other people post. I was talking about three specific species, each of which went extinct since the 17th century.

Your obfuscating about global extinction events is both off point and a clumsy attempt to cover up a demonstrably wrong statement.

Boru

You should pay attention to what other people posted.  I specifically addresses the three species you talked about, and pointed how their attributes differed from those of species which tend to survive past major mass extinction events.  We happen to share all the attributes of species which survive major extinction events.   

That makes our probability of making ourselves extinct incomparable to probability of species similar to the dodo, passenger pigeon and great auk being made extinct by us.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You should pay attention to what other people post. I was talking about three specific species, each of which went extinct since the 17th century.

Your obfuscating about global extinction events is both off point and a clumsy attempt to cover up a demonstrably wrong statement.

Boru

You should pay attention to what other people posted.  I specifically addresses the three species you talked about, and pointed how their attributes differed from those of species which tend to survive past major mass extinction events.  We happen to share all the attributes of species which survive major extinction events.   

That makes our probability of making ourselves extinct incomparable to probability of species similar to the dodo, passenger pigeon and great auk being made extinct by us.

But - again - this is NOT about major extinction events. This about the odds of the human species offing itself.

All of the blahbity-blahbity-blah you can dredge up won’t change that.

Boru