Evolution cannot account for morality

[Pat Mustard]

Are we going to talk about evolution or are you going to keep on denigrating my intentions? The choice is yours I joined this site and I stand by my words.

You're trying to connect 'genetic' evolution to things that genetic evolution has nothing to do with. Morals being the main topic.

If you can't learn why should we keep talking to you in a civil manner?

Just for shits and giggles, what degree in psychology? What school? Is it from a bible college? An online college? (name/grad year/degree) You made the claim, put up or shut up.

His alma mater is The University of Some Guy in the Pub told me.

[Anomalocaris]

And you know what, I would reckon as well that an advanced species would find moral codes to be trivial. 

So if the more intelligent a species becomes this means that morality will always be inevitable.

Thus, we may say that life leads to morality. You people believe in evolution therefore life leads to evolution.

So, as I was saying earlier in the thread, the universe will inevitably lead to live (eventually), life will inevitably lead to morality. Life will lead to evolution.

Thus, we may say that whenever there is a universe, there will be life, morality, and evolution.

Let us presume that the universe was always here, therefore the universe exists so that life could exist and life exists out of some sort of moral impetus. This leaves one final mystery, where does evolution come from? 

Evolution must have been there from the very beginning since it is already guaranteed from the outset of the universe being in existence. Thus, evolution is some sort of eternal power.

There is deep objectionability in every statement there.

1. There is no such thing as more advanced species, evolutionarily speaking. There is only more derived species. A more derived species need not be more complex. It only needs to be more different from some reference ancester. This is a fundamental concept. Advanced is subjective and without intrinsic meaning. Derived is objective and measurable.

2. No, intelligence does not make morality inevitable. In fact I can easily postulate that morality is only of survival benefit to social organisms of limited intelligence and processing power.

3. Therefore life does not lead to morality. Morality is a superficial attribute of the thinnest top layer of scum floating on the deep ocean of life on earth. Get rid of all the organism with any conceivable capacity for morality and the primary cycle of life on earth would not be significantly different.

4. Life does not lead to evolution. Evolution is a process that acts upon life.

5. It is by no means clear that universe will inevitably lead to life.

6. “Thus, we may say that whenever there is a universe, there will be life, morality, and evolution”. No, we don’t know where ever there is universe there will be life. To the best of our understanding about how the fundamental constant that governs all processes in the universe came to be, the chance that life as we know it being theoretically capable of arising in any arbitrary universe where these constants on different from ours is very low. And we know of no reason why these constants can’t be different in another universe. If there is life as we know it, then there will be evolution, but no, there will not necessarily be morality. Unless you think there must be morality amongst bacteria.

7. Universe does not exist so life could exist. Universe exists. Life can exist if conditions in the universe is right. And no life does not exist out of some moral impetus. The shallow concept of moral impetus arises only in th e unlikely event of some particular derived life happen to arise out of contingent circumstances of its own evolution.

Your last “sentence’ has no more meaning than any random ordering of Latin letters.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No, little man, YOU start doing what is requested by the admin staff or you'll be moved on.

And watch who the fuck you're talking to!

First and last warning.

You heard what I said. Contribute or move on, period.

I would like to, in the interest of peace and harmony on the Forum, inform you that a user name in red means that user is an Administrator. A large part of what Administrators do is moderate conversation with respect to the Rules, frequently through friendly warnings and speedbumps. Ignoring these admonishments tends to made the Admins react a little more forcefully.

In other words, be nice and follow the rules. Failure to do so could result in the Ban Hammer squashing you flatter than a Jerry Seinfeld joke.

Boru

[Mister Agenda]

So how many more warnings is he going to be allowed to ignore?

Remember the rules you agreed to when you joined? You might want to give them another once-over.

https://atheistforums.org/rules.php

[Veni]

Morality comes from sustenance

[Peebothuhlu]

Are we going to talk about evolution or are you going to keep on denigrating my intentions? The choice is yours I joined this site and I stand by my words.

 

Hello, sorry for being late to the conversation.

Cetrtainly let us have a conversation about evolution.

Cheers.

Not at work.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Are we going to talk about evolution or are you going to keep on denigrating my intentions? The choice is yours I joined this site and I stand by my words.

Since there's a choice, Imma go with denigrating your intentions, you clumsy troll, you.

Boru

[LinuxGal]

[GaugeBoson]

We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others. Also, it makes no sense that we have instincts therefore it makes more sense that God wanted us to have instincts. Evolution only starts with life, which makes no sense, it should show how inanimate matter turns into life as well. Also, if evolution has all this power then where does evolution come from?

What?  Working together can't be programed in by the universe?  The problem we have is that we have more proof for that than we do of a deity doing it.  

You are made up of totally inanimate parts.  When I take you apart I find no "you".  If I zoom many factors of ten "bigger" I find no you.  We have to choose a focal point that best matches what we see and experience.  "no god or gods of any type" and "deity" just don't cut it.  

[Objectivist]

We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others. Also, it makes no sense that we have instincts therefore it makes more sense that God wanted us to have instincts. Evolution only starts with life, which makes no sense, it should show how inanimate matter turns into life as well. Also, if evolution has all this power then where does evolution come from?

Correct.  Morality is conceptual in nature and comes from a process of reasoning but we do get our capacity for conceptual thought from evolution.  Evolution deals with the diversity of life, not its origin.  That's abiogenesis.  I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.  Evolution comes from existence just like everything else that exists.  

It makes more sense to you that an invisible magic being put instincts into us rather than a natural process of diverse genetic traits being selected for by the conditions a population lives in.  Got it.  The problem is we have mountains of evidence for evolution, can watch it happen, and can measure it while we have no alternative but to imagine a god.  But you go ahead and pretend that the imaginary is real.  I'll stick with facts and reason.