RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
December 30, 2022 at 11:26 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2022 at 11:29 pm by Objectivist.)
(May 28, 2022 at 12:42 am)chiknsld Wrote:(May 28, 2022 at 12:18 am)Helios Wrote: 1. Who gets their morality from a scientific theory? And God doesn't explain anything ever.
2. Abiogenesis and Evolution are two separate theories so evolution doesn't have to explain how life got here only what happens after it starts
3. WTF does it mean to say evolution has power? what kind of nonsense is that?
If you do not get morality from evolution then how does it arise? Is it just a consequence of intelligence? Or are you saying that morality is not real? Also, is intelligence not a consequence of evolution?
So I'm pretty sure that it does not make sense that life evolves only after it starts. Wouldn't it make more sense that it evolved from non-life?
The "power" comes from the statement regarding instincts that you did not respond to. But it's far more than just instincts, but we can at least start with that. Evolution appears to have tremendous power, otherwise how is it possible that life is preprogrammed with instincts? Even the most simple organism such as single-celled, still has a ton of instructions to follow and is more complicated than any computer. Also, if life exists on earth then it exists in the universe and it must have been a possibility before the universe even began and whether or not a universe even exists. This means that life must also be possible when there is only inanimate matter, and therefore life must have some sort of power, at the very least, the power of possibility. Quantum mechanics also believes in the power of possibility.
You keep using this word 'sense'. I do not think it means what you think it means if you think the notion of a god makes sense. For living organisms to evolve, they have to first exist. Non-existent things don't evolve because they don't exist. They don't do anything.
Morality is a code of values to guide one's actions and choices. It comes from a process of reasoning. Reasoning is identifying facts in the form of concepts and principles. So where it arises from is the relationship between a conceptual level consciousness and the facts of reality, hence its basis in the primacy of existence. You can't get morality from a god, first, because gods don't exist. They're fantasy. It's wishful thinking and a desire to be free of the responsibility to think for one's self that leads to people looking to an imaginary being to tell them what to do. It's slaves looking for a master. Second, you can't get it from a god because the notion of gods is based on the belief that wishing makes things so, which we know is false.
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