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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 13, 2022 at 6:09 pm
(June 13, 2022 at 4:07 pm)Helios Wrote: Yes yes, we know you are desperate to downplay this as much as possible and pretend it's all an evil plot by the democrats for the midterms. We heard this from you already and it's just as much BS now as it was then. This was a serious attempt to overturn an election. Just because it was carried out by a group of idiots and it wasn't a mass causality event is irrelevant and may not even be remembered in 20 years is irrelevant The goal is the only relevant factor and it was insidious in the extreme.
I'm fine with conceding that it was an insurrection. I'm not going to argue that like some might. You say it may not be remembered in 20 years, yet VP Harris invoked 9/11 and Pearl Harbor on the anniversary. I'm glad that we are at least on the same page that Jan 6 has been exaggerated by politicians for political reasons. You know how the saying goes, Helios. "Never let a crisis go to waste."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...116617002/
Harris said some dates in U.S. history "“occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941. September 11th, 2001. And January 6th, 2021.”
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 13, 2022 at 6:34 pm
Quote:I'm fine with conceding that it was an insurrection. I'm not going to argue that like some might. You say it may not be remembered in 20 years, yet VP Harris invoked 9/11 and Pearl Harbor on the anniversary. I'm glad that we are at least on the same page that Jan 6 has been exaggerated by politicians for political reasons. You know how the saying goes, Helios. "Never let a crisis go to waste."
No were not on the same page. Not being Pearl harbor does not mean it's not a serious negative historic event that should be remembered. The only reason it won't be is that the right-wing media and its political wing will do all in their power to bury it. Just like if 9/11 and Pearl harbor had been carried out now by a group of Trumpists they would do the same. The only waste of this crisis is if we have no record of it at all.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 1:22 am
(June 13, 2022 at 3:58 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: So yeah, the threat level to democracy was zero. Deal with it.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 1:29 am
(June 13, 2022 at 6:09 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Harris said some dates in U.S. history "“occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941. September 11th, 2001. And January 6th, 2021.”
Might be because it was the first election in American history that was challenged with violent overturn. It was a turning point.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 3:03 am
(June 13, 2022 at 4:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're the one talking about the qanon shaman..if you hadn't noticed.
We don't need a man with a viking hat - or any real threat, here in the us, to freeze speech. Take the campaign to make mickey mouse shut the fuck up, for example. No worries there. Just the government writing laws it openly admits to writing in order to punish speech.
Or the campaign in Texas to force banks to lend to gun makers no matter how insolvent their business or how illegal their activities.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 3:18 am
(June 13, 2022 at 6:34 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:I'm fine with conceding that it was an insurrection. I'm not going to argue that like some might. You say it may not be remembered in 20 years, yet VP Harris invoked 9/11 and Pearl Harbor on the anniversary. I'm glad that we are at least on the same page that Jan 6 has been exaggerated by politicians for political reasons. You know how the saying goes, Helios. "Never let a crisis go to waste."
No were not on the same page. Not being Pearl harbor does not mean it's not a serious negative historic event that should be remembered. The only reason it won't be is that the right-wing media and its political wing will do all in their power to bury it. Just like if 9/11 and Pearl harbor had been carried out now by a group of Trumpists they would do the same. The only waste of this crisis is if we have no record of it at all.
So, basically, IA is part of the fucking problem by saying roughly, "C'mon, All that happened was the President asking a bunch of his followers to invade a government building so they can overturn the results of a free and fair election that didn't go the way they wanted. Just let it go."
As a man obsessed with the history of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, there's a reason the phrase "never forget" became popular. And given that, unlike the Holocaust, the jackass who sent January 6 into motion is A) still alive, B) hell-bent on regaining power, and C) is somehow still popular enough that he's currently the frontrunner for the Republican party nomination, the phrase might actually be more important with January 6 now.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 7:59 am
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IA isn't part of this particular problem at all. Canadian. I mean..from the canadian point of view...the amatuer coup was weaksauce - I can see that. It's not like they managed to burn down the whitehouse or anything.
Here's to next time though!
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 9:11 am
(June 13, 2022 at 3:25 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (June 13, 2022 at 11:45 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Not big on context, eh? I mean the person with a backpack was crawling through a breach in the capitol building during a riot, and in your mind shooting kids with backpacks walking around minding their own business is equivalent. Are you really for real or just pulling our legs?
So anybody wearing a coat is fair game? After all - suicide VESTS have long been worn under coats.
No - you are just applying a different standard because it wasn' t your team getting shot. That bullshit is very obvious.
If she had been a ( D ) the tone here would be very, very different...
If they're crawling through a breach in the capitol building during a riot and refusing to stop, then yes, they're fair game. Just like someone crawling through my window would be fair game if they wouldn't stop after I warned them, coat, backpack, or nothing.
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 9:14 am
(June 13, 2022 at 3:43 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: (June 13, 2022 at 11:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: For what it's worth, if Biden (or whoever the democrat is then) loses the next election (or the one after that, into perpetuity) and democrats pull a similar stunt based on a false stolen election narrative, I won't be a democrat anymore, because I'll know they've lost their minds too.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-el...r-n1238156
“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said in an interview with her former communications director Jennifer Palmieri for Showtime's “The Circus,” which released a clip Tuesday.
So in your mind, Clinton's opinion is equivalent to staging a riot, penetrating the capitol building, and attempting to force a vote recount that would favor Biden?
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RE: The PR Wing Of The GOP
June 14, 2022 at 12:04 pm
(June 14, 2022 at 7:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IA isn't part of this particular problem at all. Canadian. I mean..from the canadian point of view...the amatuer coup was weaksauce - I can see that. It's not like they managed to burn down the whitehouse or anything.
Here's to next time though! To be fair no one from the Canadian colonies actually took part in the burning of the White House. It's kind of sad we have to invent stories of ourselves being badass. When we have plenty of actual events showing it.
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