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How is this possible?
#61
RE: How is this possible?
(July 5, 2022 at 6:55 pm)Helios Wrote:
Quote:Scientists thought the earth was flat, Are you a flat earther?
No, they didn't. That's a myth.


Quote:The theory of the "Aether" is being relooked at in recent years, due to the conflict between quantum mechanics and general relativity.
You realize the Aether being proposed isn't like the Aether of old
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#62
RE: How is this possible?
Quote:So why did you no take the profession further, why just stop at being a leg?  Or were you an armored leg?  Did you not have the guts or faith you could?



There is only one GOD.......

The First Law of Thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed.  Matter is a form of stored energy.   Nobody has ever taken nothing and made energy or matter.  I challenge science to make either. 

Even with all of our advanced knowledge of DNA and living things, nobody has ever gone into a laboratory and made even a simple cell from the raw chemicals.  Yet we have been told it happened accidentally.  I challenge science to make a cell

(Experiments done by Redi and Pasteur) proves that life only comes from life

The basic laws of physics are so finely tuned that if any of the fundamental forces was a little weaker, or stronger, our universe could not exist.  (Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force)   Some of the most famous scientists in the world are well aware of this fine-tuning.

Even to this day, nobody really knows what electrons are made up of, or why they are stable particles.    Nobody even knows what is going on inside the atoms which causes gravity.  Sure, they have "drawing" but ask a phyzzzzzist, they are a theoretical drawing,
because they dont know what atoms actually look like, or really how they work.

Most of the predictions at the LHC have been absolutely wrong, by their own statements ( admin wont let me post a link)

can science do these things, make matter or energy, or life, no.

a limitless amount of chaos does not create limitless order

Bill Gates says that  “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”   How is that possible?  without a creator?

These are just a few things.

You asked in an earlier part, for a prophetic sign, unfortunatley, there is only one that I can say for an absolute certainty that has not happened yet, and you dont want to see it, and not have faith.
So a lot of arguments from ignorance and credulity mixed with arguments from unqualified authorities and long refuted apologist talking points ....Yawn

Quote:(Experiments done by Redi and Pasteur) proves that life only comes from life
These don't apply to any modern theory of Abiogenesis  Dodgy

Also, I'll point out that even if science made any of the things listed above your kind would just insist that proves that an intelligence did it.
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#63
RE: How is this possible?
(July 5, 2022 at 6:58 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote:
(July 5, 2022 at 6:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Can't think of a more crucial profession.  That I enjoyed it was a pleasant bonus.  

So, first law of thermodynamics...the idea that the authors of magic book knew stuff.... and just being a decent person in general.   These aren't the sorts of things that would cause me to revisit the notion of gods.

So why did you no take the profession further, why just stop at being a leg?  Or were you an armored leg?  Did you not have the guts or faith you could?
Got bounced around by an ied.  I spent time  b m and c.  High speed, you know the drill...would have stayed for twenty...but not as an xray tech.  Mech was definitely my favorite though.  Less walking, cooler toys.

Quote:There is only one GOD.......
Seems like an undercount.

Quote:The First Law of Thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed.  Matter is a form of stored energy.   Nobody has ever taken nothing and made energy or matter.  I challenge science to make either. 
That would be cool, wouldn't it?  I'd like to think that would be the end of human need and human want - but knowing us......

Quote:Even with all of our advanced knowledge of DNA and living things, nobody has ever gone into a laboratory and made even a simple cell from the raw chemicals.  Yet we have been told it happened accidentally.  I challenge science to make a cell

(Experiments done by Redi and Pasteur) proves that life only comes from life
That's not exactly what you've been told.  What you've been told is that life is the product of organic chemistry - it;s an accident only so much as no one needs to make organic chemistry happen.  That would also be cool...but I'm pretty sure that if Science™ did that then the faithful would simply insist it further establishes the credibility of their stories.  "See, it can happen, and without magic!".  How do you imagine that a god made life, for example.  Magic..or organic chemistry?

Quote:The basic laws of physics are so finely tuned that if any of the fundamental forces was a little weaker, or stronger, our universe could not exist.  (Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force)   Some of the most famous scientists in the world are well aware of this fine-tuning.
This hole was MADE for me..exclaimed the puddle.

Quote:Even to this day, nobody really knows what electrons are made up of, or why they are stable particles.    Nobody even knows what is going on inside the atoms which causes gravity.  Sure, they have "drawing" but ask a phyzzzzzist, they are a theoretical drawing,
because they dont know what atoms actually look like, or really how they work.
Nobody knows alot of stuff - how we get from there to existent gods is one of those things.  

Quote:Most of the predictions at the LHC have been absolutely wrong, by their own statements ( admin wont let me post a link)

can science do these things, make matter or energy, or life, no.

a limitless amount of chaos does not create limitless order

Bill Gates says that  “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”   How is that possible?  without a creator?

These are just a few things.

You asked in an earlier part, for a prophetic sign, unfortunatley, there is only one that I can say for an absolute certainty that has not happened yet, and you dont want to see it, and not have faith.
I mean, if it's going to happen anyway - it's not like I have any say in the matter.  What, you think a demigod warlord is going to come back and stomp the living shit out of anyone who won't bend the knee so that it can establish a lasting davidic kingdom on earth? Well good luck to him, as our alleged creator, he might be aware of how we respond to those sorts of things. How many americans does it plan to kill as a part of this invasion/coup/occupation?

You've given me no reason to suspect I'm wrong about gods, and plenty of reason to reject your religion.
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#64
RE: How is this possible?
(July 5, 2022 at 7:02 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote:
(July 5, 2022 at 6:55 pm)Helios Wrote: No, they didn't. That's a myth.


You realize the Aether being proposed isn't like the Aether of old

your are a tool
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#65
RE: How is this possible?
Quote:your are a tool
And you can't seem to use the comment system ..... Hehe
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#66
RE: How is this possible?
(July 5, 2022 at 6:58 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote: The First Law of Thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed.  Matter is a form of stored energy.   Nobody has ever taken nothing and made energy or matter. 
If something can't come from nothing, then whatever god used to create the universe must have always existed since he couldn't have created it from nothing per your rules. If you believe god did create the universe from nothing, ie he "spoke" it into existence, then something can come from nothing.
Which is it?
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#67
RE: How is this possible?
You are throwing a whole lot of things against the wall, and saying "what about this?"  Well, what about it - does it prove a god?  If so, how?

What about the sky being blue?  How is this possible?  Must be God.
What about toaster strudel?  How is this possible?  Must be God.

Did you read where the energy of the universe may be zero?  If so, there was never a need to create energy ex-nilho.  The negative gravitational potential counteracts the positive mass-energy.

Science uncovers how things work.  Science doesn't break its own laws.  It does uncover how relatively simple order becomes a myriad of complexity.  Note that physics is reasonable simple.  There are no gods making rain, designing DNA, or making the sun shine.  The basic order of the universe does that on its own.

Quote:Bill Gates says that  “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”   How is that possible?  without a creator?

How about reading how it is possible.  "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins is excellent, but there are many others.
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#68
RE: How is this possible?
Dodgy  I've seen this schtick, here, before. OP, "SCIENCE" doesn't "do" things. It's a manmade tool for investigating our reality, with all the glory and failings of man wrapped up in a ball with it. I'm calling it, now.

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#69
RE: How is this possible?
(July 5, 2022 at 4:53 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote: Going from one point of view to the other in one step is not possible, I am merely expressing the question I asked myself, which led me to more questions.  To the "magic book" question.......is your question: if the book is inaccurate, what does that say about GOD?

Understand, that my opinion is not based on "the magic book" itself, but on its writers and their first entry.  And how they knew.  


Later on, in a conversation with my daughter, we were talking about Thor, and his part in the Marvel Movies, especially in the Avengers.  Specifically, we spoke of the scene where as Thor had to restart the star in order to form his new Thanos killing weapon.....Remember that?  Anyway, I got me thinking the same thing.  See, the name of Thor's hammer is Mjolnir.  It was made of a URU METAL, a type of enchanted material like "unobtainium".  I found it interesting that the Norse knew that a star would have immense power, the kind of power that you could make an unearthly weapon.  How did they know it?  Just a good guess to I suppose.

Hello, welcome to the forums.

Uhm... I also like the marvel movies. Congrats on bonding with your daughter.

Just a point, and I know it's probably quite redundant, but you do know you're offering some American modern fantasy type stuff when you're talking about thier redressing of some one else's mythology, right?

Also, look up "Self perpetuating Prion proteins"

Here's one of the first Google hits I got. https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j...vtfHtZdaak

It would seem chemistry, like the dinosaur movie, finds a way.

Cheers.
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#70
RE: How is this possible?
It's pretty damned amazing how atoms hook up to make different types of small, and even large, molecules. I see no reason to credit/blame a "god" for what happened.
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