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How to select which supernatural to believe?
RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 6:34 am)WinterHold Wrote: I remind you with the story of Galileo, who was accused of "heresy" for believing that earth was not actually the immovable centre of the universe:

Whenever somebody comes to the mainstream with a belief outside the box, the masses jump to stone him, burn him at the stake or simply calling him insane; mad; pariah.

Galileo didn't have problems with the scientific community but with anti-science religious zealots which is the opposite of Muhammad who is seen as wrong by the scientific community while supported by anti-science religious nutjobs.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 5:10 am)GUBU Wrote:
(July 31, 2022 at 3:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: When I read that a certain book said the following:



Then I would continue reading in awe, because the verse proved what every scientist said about the origins of the universe.

No need to cojtinuously prove that islam isn't worth following by posting nonsense from the qu'ran.  You've done enough to discredit the false religion already.

Oh and by the way the "heavens" and the Earth are not separate, they are both components of one single unified system called the universe.  And life isn't made from water, but carbon.  Some life needs water, but all lie on Earth (at least) requires carbon.  Without carbon or possibly silicon (it can make the same type of polymer chain bonds as carbon does, but nowhere near as easily) life is simply impossible.

If you want us to play the perspective game to win arguments, then neither the sky or the earth even exist, what exists are particles.

Even particles do not exist; what exist are Molecules.

Even Molecules don't exist, what exists are protons, neutrons and electrons.

Even the three don't exist, what really exists are quarks.

Shall we continue?
Bring you microscope. Or your version of the Hadron Collider.

Don't play the perspective game because it's wasteful.
Heaven is the heaven we know it, earth is the earth we know it.

Everything is crystal clear.
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 5:14 am)GUBU Wrote:
(July 31, 2022 at 6:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But is is the most widely accepted answer for the origin of the universe. It is the "Big Bang theory" written in ancient Arabic language in the verse above:

https://education.nationalgeographic.org...iverse-101

What you qouted in no way describes the big bang.  It explicitly says that the Earth and the space it exists in are two completely separate things, fully divided from each other.

I wonder what the religious authorities in your country would say to you and you making such a nonsense of islam?  They're as afraid as you are of the truth getting out.

No. The verse did say that "heaven and earth were a joined entity".
Here's the verse in Arabic:

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ


Translating word by word without using a translator:

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا
Didn't the non-believers see

 أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ
That the heavens and earth

 كَانَتَا رَتْقًا
Were one joined entity >>( the Arabic word used to represent the joined entity in this verse is "رتق" "Ratq", the meaning of the word can be validated from this Arabic-Arabic dictionary:

https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D...%AA%D9%82/

فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ
we cracked them >> (the Arabic word literally means cracking something; more like "break,pop, bang"

وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ
And we made from water everything alive

 ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
So wouldn't they believe?
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 6:34 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(August 1, 2022 at 3:47 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I agree that accusing preachers of insanity (or at the very least, being mentally aberrant) is a very, very old tradition. 

Why do you think that is?

Boru

I remind you with the story of Galileo, who was accused of "heresy" for believing that earth was not actually the immovable centre of the universe:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist...-of-heresy


Quote:This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe.

Whenever somebody comes to the mainstream with a belief outside the box, the masses jump to stone him, burn him at the stake or simply calling him insane; mad; pariah.

And I remind you that the difference between Galileo and the Quran is that Galileo was right.

Boru
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 7:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 1, 2022 at 6:34 am)WinterHold Wrote: I remind you with the story of Galileo, who was accused of "heresy" for believing that earth was not actually the immovable centre of the universe:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist...-of-heresy



Whenever somebody comes to the mainstream with a belief outside the box, the masses jump to stone him, burn him at the stake or simply calling him insane; mad; pariah.

And I remind you that the difference between Galileo and the Quran is that Galileo was right.

Boru

But nations of non-believers were busy crusading and butchering Muslims instead of addmitting that "Heaven and earth were a joined entity that got cracked", yet to discover themselves that the Quran told the truth 1400 years before.

Just changed labels though, claimed the fact for themselves and called it "the big crac...err..bang theory".
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
Quote:But nations of non-believers were busy crusading and butchering Muslims instead of addmitting that "Heaven and earth were a joined entity that got cracked", yet to discover themselves that the Quran told the truth 1400 years before.

Just changed labels though, claimed the fact for themselves and called it "the big crac...err..bang theory"
Bullshit 

Quote:I remind you with the story of Galileo, who was accused of "heresy" for believing that earth was not actually the immovable centre of the universe:
[Image: Galileo_Fallacy.jpg]
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 8:54 am)Helios Wrote:
Quote:But nations of non-believers were busy crusading and butchering Muslims instead of addmitting that "Heaven and earth were a joined entity that got cracked", yet to discover themselves that the Quran told the truth 1400 years before.

Just changed labels though, claimed the fact for themselves and called it "the big crac...err..bang theory"
Bullshit 

Quote:I remind you with the story of Galileo, who was accused of "heresy" for believing that earth was not actually the immovable centre of the universe:
[Image: Galileo_Fallacy.jpg]

Here are the articles of condemnation against Galileo:

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1630galileo.asp

Galileo was condemned for claiming that the Sun was the center of the Universe.
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
‘They laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.’ - Carl Sagan

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
(August 1, 2022 at 6:44 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(August 1, 2022 at 5:10 am)GUBU Wrote: No need to cojtinuously prove that islam isn't worth following by posting nonsense from the qu'ran.  You've done enough to discredit the false religion already.

Oh and by the way the "heavens" and the Earth are not separate, they are both components of one single unified system called the universe.  And life isn't made from water, but carbon.  Some life needs water, but all lie on Earth (at least) requires carbon.  Without carbon or possibly silicon (it can make the same type of polymer chain bonds as carbon does, but nowhere near as easily) life is simply impossible.

If you want us to play the perspective game to win arguments, then neither the sky or the earth even exist, what exists are particles.

Even particles do not exist; what exist are Molecules.

Even Molecules don't exist, what exists are protons, neutrons and electrons.

Even the three don't exist, what really exists are quarks.

Shall we continue?
Bring you microscope. Or your version of the Hadron Collider.

Don't play the perspective game because it's wasteful.
Heaven is the heaven we know it, earth is the earth we know it.

Everything is crystal clear.

Your nonsense in no way refutes the fact that the earth and everything else that exists are part of one single greater whole, the universe, and not as the qu'ran says two things totally disassociated from each other. Are you going to retract your original falsehood after being corrected, or are you going to defend it it and condemn yourself as a liar (and a stupid one at that)?
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
If only they could have explained to the crusaders how islamic magic book got it right, and christian magic book was all fucked up. That surely would have helped!
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