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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 8:49 pm
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End of the day for the nutjobs, it's not really motivated by principle. They just overcommitted to a bit and ended up enemies of the people on account of it.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 8:54 pm
(November 27, 2022 at 8:47 pm)Helios Wrote: (November 27, 2022 at 8:44 pm)Dio Wrote: When a party openly tries to get a piece of legislation made an EO because they can't get enough votes, I'm 100% against that. How that is controversial is unknown to me. If the only reason they can't get enough votes because one party has a partisan axe to grind i am 100% against that. How that is controversial is unknown to me.
Should the Dems have passed a law giving Biden the ability to act unilaterally regarding legislation?
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 8:55 pm
Quote:Should the Dems have passed a law giving Biden the ability to act unilaterally regarding legislation?
Nope 
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 8:55 pm
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(November 27, 2022 at 8:43 pm)Dio Wrote: (November 27, 2022 at 8:40 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
The Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery in the US. Kentucky and Delaware still had slaves until the 13th amendment. The EP only dealt with the areas in rebellion. At least try.
The areas in rebellion, which included the places where the vast majority of America's slaves lived. Or does only freeing 89% of the slaves (which amounted to 11% of the entire US population, according to data from the 1860 Census) not count as sweeping action? It wasn't really sweeping enough, but the point is freeing 3.5 million slaves sounds like the sort of sweeping action you treat as unprecedented.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 8:57 pm
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Presidents already have that ability, and, the presidency being an office, it accrues more and more power with time, while being loathe to ever relinquish an inch of what it's already gotten.
Here's a fun little link on the use of EO's.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statisti...ive-orders
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 9:01 pm
(November 27, 2022 at 8:55 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (November 27, 2022 at 8:43 pm)Dio Wrote: The Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery in the US. Kentucky and Delaware still had slaves until the 13th amendment. The EP only dealt with the areas in rebellion. At least try.
The areas in rebellion, which included the places where the vast majority of America's slaves lived. Or does only freeing 89% of the slaves (according to data from the 1860 Census) not count as sweeping action? It wasn't really sweeping enough, but the point is freeing 3.5 million slaves sounds like the sort of sweeping action you treat as unprecedented.
Seeing as the South was generally treated as a conquered nation, it's different. That was the Reconstruction Era. Southern states, and not even all, didn't even have members in the US congress until the 40th US Congress.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 9:03 pm
(November 27, 2022 at 8:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Presidents already have that ability, and, the presidency being an office, it accrues more and more power with time, while being loathe to ever relinquish an inch of what it's already gotten.
Here's a fun little link on the use of EO's.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statisti...ive-orders To date, no one has beaten Franklin D. Roosevelt
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 9:04 pm
(November 27, 2022 at 9:01 pm)Dio Wrote: (November 27, 2022 at 8:55 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: The areas in rebellion, which included the places where the vast majority of America's slaves lived. Or does only freeing 89% of the slaves (according to data from the 1860 Census) not count as sweeping action? It wasn't really sweeping enough, but the point is freeing 3.5 million slaves sounds like the sort of sweeping action you treat as unprecedented.
Seeing as the South was generally treated as a conquered nation, it's different. That was the Reconstruction Era. Southern states, and not even all, didn't even have members in the US congress until the 40th US Congress.
The South was a conquered nation? Not in 1862.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 9:06 pm
Quote:Seeing as the South was generally treated as a conquered nation, it's different. That was the Reconstruction Era. Southern states, and not even all, didn't even have members in the US congress until the 40th US Congress.
Excuses Excuses .....
It was a significant piece of legislation that was decided by EO. Hair splitting won't make it less so. So I guess the Confederates were right that Lincoln was a tyrant..... 
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RE: The Absurd GOP
November 27, 2022 at 9:06 pm
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The south was treated exceptionally well, it's a general misperception, that it was treated as a conquered nation. I think misperception may be at the root of more than just that one little item of trivia. As for lincoln being a tyrant, meh, more that the us decided then and there that it did not acknowledge a great many things held, beforehand, to be foundational to us. No matter how much a given person wanted it. Be that self determination or slavery.
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