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Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
(August 26, 2022 at 9:33 am)Eclectic Wrote: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
hello friends
Look at the positive functions of the Christian Church:
1- Creating unity and spiritual solidarity by attending every Sunday
2- Announcing the needs of the church and society to the followers to meet the needs
3- Encouraging and encouraging people to do good deeds through the priest's speech
4- Discussions about worldview and ideology in speeches and conversations.

Replace the word Christian in the above 4 cases with atheist! The same functions will be useful for the society of atheists.

Note that atheism and agnosticism have many contradictory branches, for example, atheist humanists and atheist communists are completely different! So they cannot have a common church.

I saw on the BBC a few years ago that a church of atheists had been established. I don't know if it is active now or not?

Also, praying is a method of spiritual inspiration in God believers, which has worked well in terms of psychology. For this aspect, what alternative does atheism have?

Matthew Arnold pretty much started this conversation in 1869, with his book Culture and Anarchy. The idea is that since religion is no longer appealing to a large number of people, we should find something else to take over its positive aspects. 

Arnold suggested "culture," which for him meant "the best which has been thought and said." The arts, philosophy, various kinds of wise writing. Since then others have suggested different versions of this answer, about what could serve the function that religion used to (and still does for many). 

Terry Eagleton has written well on this topic. Of the various things suggested, it appears that none can fill the role that religion does. Shakespeare, for example, may offer a set of stories that challenge us to think at a high level about what humanity is and can do. But his work doesn't allow insignificant individuals to feel that the universe finds them important at some level. It doesn't provide an across-the-board system for cultural unity.

Currently where religion has been displaced as that which structures social relations, the vacuum has been filled by capitalism. Though we may find a great deal of fault with the history of various religions, the omnipresent propaganda of capitalism is certainly no better.
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#12
RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
Culture is shit. The OP is a good idea, but won't take here, for the simple fact that atheists are on a moral crusade against religion, and won't adopt any of its aspects, even positive ones, on pure principle.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#13
RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
(August 28, 2022 at 8:03 am)Ahriman Wrote: Culture is shit. The OP is a good idea, but won't take here, for the simple fact that atheists are on a moral crusade against religion, and won't adopt any of its aspects, even positive ones, on pure principle.

They've adopted many religion-like approaches to things, without admitting that they're doing it.
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
Atheism must have contradictory branches. As theism has many branches, only one of which is Abrahamic religions.
o atheism can have several different church.
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
Probably because they've always had to deal with religions as defined by the nutters of the time. That and how atheism is the loosest of confederations. Any given thing a specific atheist might do or say lacks the weight of a community of the like minded. Cat herding.

I think it's more accurate to say that the religious have decided to reduce religion so much that any given atheist is doing it™, because being no worse than the next guy (who they think is worse) is all they can hope to establish for themselves anymore. It's a shame, really, that a bunch of abrahamic nuts continue to be intent on poisoning the religious well - but you'd hardly fault a person for not wanting a drink.
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
(August 28, 2022 at 8:24 am)Eclectic Wrote: Atheism must have contradictory branches. As theism has many branches, only one of which is Abrahamic religions.
o atheism can have several different church.

I think we may have a category error. Atheism and theism are states of mind, one being the state of holding no belief in any deities and the other being the state of holding a belief in at least one deity. They aren't the kinds of things that have branches. A mere theist may hold to no particular religion, an atheist may follow a religion that doesn't require belief in a deity. A religion may be atheistic or theistic, but atheism or theism themselves are not divided into branches or religions.

What you're observing is that atheists and theists have lots of different opinions on religions and following them. An agnostic theist and non-joiner atheist may both avoid relgious services, for instance.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#17
RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
A few things need to be clarified to better explain the topic.

Atheism is a general branch to put people who say there is no god in that group.

So anyone who becomes atheist should be a member of philosophical religions, such as Confuciusism or humanism or ... as worldview and ideology.
Either create a personal or public eclectic religion that combines religious and philosophical religions with its personal beliefs.

The second point is that the religions  had beautiful words and positive functions.

(A). One of the positive functions of religion is shared good beliefs at the national and world level. These shared beliefs create love and cooperation. Christians have common beliefs. And the Buddhists also have common beliefs. And...

Atheists must preach common human beliefs such as human rights and preach good things like Philanthropism, and loving nature and so on in their churches every day or every week.
Preach there is not any sacred human
Preach that no civil law is eternal!
Preach violence is hated and inhumane!
Preach that Philanthropism is sacred.
Preach that in all circumstances, slavery has been and is hated.
And other good preaches...

(B) Religious celebrations and religious rituals also create and strengthen popular love and cooperation.
Atheists should also celebrate and enjoy its benefits
For example:
Anniversary celebration, anti -religious and atheist celebrities!
Celebrations of humanist and feminist movements and human rights

© In religion, prayer and consultation with the clergy,at framework of religious beliefs, give power to Determain and give power to human .

Atheists can also use prayer in the form of atheistic and talk with NLP psychologist.
Do you hear about Anthony Robbins or NLP is a constructive method?
Prayer is autosuggestion and is constructive.
A atheist can prayer like this:
(Human is in the world to be kind and friend of nature . The spirit of nature  loves kind people.
whatever helps human, helps me to do good acts and helps me to  philanthropic act  and helps we love nature and protect it.
Science is sacred and I will endeavor for science.
Loving parents is sacred  and I respect my parents and help them.
The world will help me do good acts and do not work bad acts.)
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#18
RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
Never go cheap on toilet paper or anniversary gifts.
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
(August 26, 2022 at 10:06 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I have no need for any alternative, praying is just the same as talking to yourself

Not really.

Talking to yourself is simply an externalizing of your thoughts in verbal form so you can analyze those thoughts.

Praying is a delusional activity in which the person expects a mythical creator of the universe to intercede on their behalf for some usually trivial matter.

For fuck' s sake the guy is busy building universes - he hasn' t got time to help out your favorite football team....
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RE: Church of the atheists and prayer and supplication
(September 19, 2022 at 8:28 am)Eclectic Wrote: [...]

So anyone who becomes atheist should be a member of philosophical religions, such as Confuciusism or humanism or ... as worldview and ideology.
Either create a personal or public eclectic religion that combines religious and philosophical religions with its personal beliefs.

[...]

I'd say there's one big difference between a religion and a non-religious philosophy: 

In a religion, ethics and metaphysics are fundamentally united. "Is" and "ought" have an essential relationship, and the one necessitates the other. 

In general, atheistic systems don't have this connection. We may hold to a system of ethics or argue in favor of certain basic principles, but these are not made necessary by the laws by which the universe is made and operates. 

In practice, then, when ethical principles are no longer held to be fundamentally a part of the world, what people are left with are contingent historical mores. And these, in our time, are almost always the values drummed into us by constant corporate propaganda. The ubiquity of this stuff, and the masterful way in which it instills its values into people, is amazing. It's still possible to encounter competing views -- in great literature, for example -- but the percentage of people who take this seriously is tiny in comparison to consumers of pop culture and its barely concealed propaganda.

I wish we could set up a non-corporate ethics which could work as a counter to the values of our time. But in practice I don't see how this could work. Your dream of a universal (but atheist) religion has an appeal. I guess I just lack the idealism to think it could get up and running in a major way.
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