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Supernatural and Atheism
RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 5, 2022 at 9:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(December 5, 2022 at 9:25 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: If it is beyond doubt it's not science.

And, so, the Theory of Relativity or Evolution, the Germ Theory of Disease or the Theory of plate tectonics are not science.

they are not beyond doubt.  unlike religious tenets for which doubt is death, scientific theories are only as strong as the doubt which had been cast upon them and will likely wither in folly if taken for granted.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 5, 2022 at 9:46 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
(December 5, 2022 at 9:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, the Theory of Relativity or Evolution, the Germ Theory of Disease or the Theory of plate tectonics are not science.

Do you say those things are beyond doubt as well?  What if, for example, we find that dark matter is attributed to a modification of General Relativity that kicks in when space-time is sufficiently flat, such as in intergalactic space?  If GR is beyond doubt then such modifications would never be entertained.

In my opinion, some things are facts, and therefore, are beyond any (reasonable) doubt.  As Isaac Asimov stated,


Quote:John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

Isaac Asimov - The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 14 No. 1, Fall 1989
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
I'll grant you, the evidence for biological evolution is so vast and deep that if we found the fossil of a rabbit in a Cambrian strata; I'd be more likely to take it as evidence for time travel than evidence against the ToE.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 6, 2022 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'll grant you, the evidence for biological evolution is so vast and deep that if we found the fossil of a rabbit in a Cambrian strata; I'd be more likely to take it as evidence for time travel than evidence against the ToE.

Hmmm, sounds almost like religious thinking.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 6, 2022 at 10:52 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(December 6, 2022 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'll grant you, the evidence for biological evolution is so vast and deep that if we found the fossil of a rabbit in a Cambrian strata; I'd be more likely to take it as evidence for time travel than evidence against the ToE.

Hmmm, sounds almost like religious thinking.

What do you mean by 'religious thinking'? What characteristic are you finding here that you would describe as religious? Bonus points for defining 'religious' itself.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 6, 2022 at 11:11 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(December 6, 2022 at 10:52 am)Ahriman Wrote: Hmmm, sounds almost like religious thinking.

What do you mean by 'religious thinking'?  What characteristic are you finding here that you would describe as religious?  Bonus points for defining 'religious' itself.

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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
Yet another simple and clear cut line to draw. There is the fact of evolution, and the theory of evolution. The theory could conceivably be wrong, though it's unlikely at this point - whereas the fact would remain and require some other explanation even if the theory were wrong. This fact, after all, is the thing that simpletons wish to explain with their tinkering bloodgod.

Neither thing, the fact or the theory, is religious, as neither lays claim to normative assertions on the sacred and the taboo. At bottom, it's an observation of what has happened. At the top, an explanation of how.

As we bounce around between misunderstandings of gender and biology, it seems that the boards various nuts are painting an unflattering picture of the contents of their own, allegedly god-created, minds. Yet more evidence that fairy powered things are subpar.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 5, 2022 at 5:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(December 5, 2022 at 5:19 pm)Lek Wrote: I just thought of this way of asking the question. Are there any defining differences between the male and female genders? Please name some.

I have long hair down to the middle of my back. I trim my eyebrows, shave my arms & legs, wear makeup & some discrete eyeshadow, wear (on occasion) modest skirts & dresses, and love sandals. I prefer cats to dogs.
Can I have these traits as a male gender or are they specific to females? If I can also have these traits and be male gendered then they are not defining.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm)Lek Wrote:
(December 5, 2022 at 5:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I have long hair down to the middle of my back.  I trim my eyebrows, shave my arms & legs, wear makeup & some discrete eyeshadow, wear (on occasion) modest skirts & dresses, and love sandals.  I prefer cats to dogs.
Can I have these traits as a male gender or are they specific to females?

They're not specific to females, the other dude is bullshitting.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
(December 6, 2022 at 1:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(December 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm)Lek Wrote: Can I have these traits as a male gender or are they specific to females?

They're not specific to females, the other dude is bullshitting.

What is the difference between male and female genders then?
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