Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism

[The Architect Of Fate]

ROOT doesn't seem to know a lot about men either ......

Any man who would overreact to what poly is describing is insecure and petty.

[polymath257]

Some are not. I'm not. Would you consider me higher or lower than other men?

Nobody will say about themselves "I am a sexual predator", lol, even actual sexual predators won't tell you that. It will defeat the entire purpose of the predation game : you should convince your potential female partner that you are more than your bodily functions, that you are more than a reproduction organism. But the primitive instinct is always there, no matter how much you try to hide it.

And, like other 'primitive instincts', we need to learn to be civilized. So, we don't steal even if we *really* want something. And we don't blame the victim of theft for having expensive shoes.

Those who choose to be jerks need to be condemned. And we shouldn't blame women because some jerk gets a woody.

Sure, why not? She is beautiful and having other men notice that is no problem to me or her as long as they aren't jerks about it.

I am sure not lots of husbands will share your opinion here and, in reality, many men are actually jerks.[/quote]

So, do we condemn the jerks and give women freedom of self-determination? or do we coddle the jerks and deny women the right to wear the clothes they want?

The choice seems clear to me. And it isn't the one many religions choose.

[Angrboda]

It's a laugh that ROt thinks that the religion which is trying to drag the world back to the 7th century actually brought us to a higher, more civilized level.

No, Islam was a disruptive influence. It did more harm than good. It destroyed more than it created. Roman and Hellenic civilizations make Mohammed and his thugs look like neanderthals.

[Jehanne]

In my opinion, Islam's successes were more political than religious; Muhammad was more of a military general than a religious prophet.

[polymath257]

It's a laugh that ROt thinks that the religion which is trying to drag the world back to the 7th century actually brought us to a higher, more civilized level.  

No, Islam was a disruptive influence.  It did more harm than good.  It destroyed more than it created.  Roman and Hellenic civilizations make Mohammed and his thugs look like neanderthals.

Not completely true. There is a LOT of mathematics and early science that was developed under Islamic regimes. The Bayt al Hikma was a center of learning for centuries before its destruction by Mongols (who were also not nearly as uncivilized as the stories say).

The problems arose when the fundamentalists took over. That is what destroyed anything good in Islamic intellectual culture.

[arewethereyet]

What I get from this little gem from Root is that saying all men are sexually predatory is an excuse for bad behavior.

They can't help it so it must be the responsibility of women to not tempt their weak selves.

smh

[Angrboda]

It's a laugh that ROt thinks that the religion which is trying to drag the world back to the 7th century actually brought us to a higher, more civilized level.  

No, Islam was a disruptive influence.  It did more harm than good.  It destroyed more than it created.  Roman and Hellenic civilizations make Mohammed and his thugs look like neanderthals.

Not completely true. There is a LOT of mathematics and early science that was developed under Islamic regimes. The Bayt al Hikma was a center of learning for centuries before its destruction by Mongols (who were also not nearly as uncivilized as the stories say).

The problems arose when the fundamentalists took over. That is what destroyed anything good in Islamic intellectual culture.

Exactly how does that make what I said not true?

[Foxaèr]

Islam contributes one thing, and suddenly it egotistically thinks it's the sole answer to all the world's problems.

[Jehanne]

It's a laugh that ROt thinks that the religion which is trying to drag the world back to the 7th century actually brought us to a higher, more civilized level.  

No, Islam was a disruptive influence.  It did more harm than good.  It destroyed more than it created.  Roman and Hellenic civilizations make Mohammed and his thugs look like neanderthals.

Not completely true. There is a LOT of mathematics and early science that was developed under Islamic regimes. The Bayt al Hikma was a center of learning for centuries before its destruction by Mongols (who were also not nearly as uncivilized as the stories say).

The problems arose when the fundamentalists took over. That is what destroyed anything good in Islamic intellectual culture.

The Mongols, who caused the World's population to decrease by 10%, and who slaughtered 100,000 human beings over the course of a single day can never be rehabilitated; they were monsters, in spite of their road building and communication infrastructure.

[Jehanne]

Not completely true. There is a LOT of mathematics and early science that was developed under Islamic regimes. The Bayt al Hikma was a center of learning for centuries before its destruction by Mongols (who were also not nearly as uncivilized as the stories say).

The problems arose when the fundamentalists took over. That is what destroyed anything good in Islamic intellectual culture.

Exactly how does that make what I said not true?

Intellectuals flourished in Islam not because of it, but, in spite of it. Early on the caliphs were too busy fighting and consolidating power to worry about the intellectuals in Islam, whom they did not understand anyways. When political and religious consolidation began to solidify under the caliphates, it became time for these people to go, as they were clearly a threat to the religious order.