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The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
#41
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
No I wasn't talking to you. Ranjr just called me "a perverted mind". Does he even know what a perverted mind looks like?

/ As I said. My aim was to express philosophical ideas and to debate them with anyone who wanted to. But this is not appropriate.

If you got bored that’s fine. I also have other things to do anyway. But I am opposed to all forms of internet harassment. This isn’t something I will tolerate. Attacks on somebody’s (anybody’s) personality through the internet or social media are lame.
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#42
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
He appears to think a perverted mind looks alot like the one you're posting with. Is that a problem? A problem in some way when it's applied to you but not when you apply it to others?
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#43
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
(October 7, 2022 at 5:13 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: No I wasn't talking to you. Ranjr just called me "a perverted mind". Does he even know what a perverted mind looks like?

/ As I said. My aim was to express philosophical ideas and to debate them with anyone who wanted to. But this is not appropriate.

If you got bored that’s fine. I also have other things to do anyway. But I am opposed to all forms of internet harassment. This isn’t something I will tolerate. Attacks on somebody’s (anybody’s) personality through the internet or social media are lame.

First you attempt to rationalize an irrational belief, namely that beliefs are rational because they are ancient.  Then, you seek moral high ground over others through being offended by a word you used to describe others.

That is very poor debating.  Perverted even.
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#44
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
(October 8, 2022 at 9:51 am)Ranjr Wrote: First you attempt to rationalize an irrational belief, namely that beliefs are rational because they are ancient.

Why do human beings think this way? This perspective was common in ancient Rome, that is, if something is old, it must be good.
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#45
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
(October 8, 2022 at 10:11 am)Jehanne Wrote: Why do human beings think this way?  This perspective was common in ancient Rome, that is, if something is old, it must be good.

I don't get it either.  Like the moon pie-eyed right wingers who think the 50's were a Wonder bread paradise we should all long for.
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#46
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
(October 8, 2022 at 10:11 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 8, 2022 at 9:51 am)Ranjr Wrote: First you attempt to rationalize an irrational belief, namely that beliefs are rational because they are ancient.

Why do human beings think this way?  This perspective was common in ancient Rome, that is, if something is old, it must be good.

Probably because our primary method of transmitting wisdom is oral, and intimate.  Old ideas come to us by way of an unbroken chain of narration - seeming to confer them with the value that only time (nd time-testing) bring..and, in addition, those beliefs cover themselves with our feelings and attachments to the chain of narrators themselves.  Be it a line of "great men" "holy prophets" or just our own sainted parents and grandparents, all the way back, to the beginning of us. Even in our god stories, the form seems to be that some god does some great and wonderful thing for the character, and then makes an ask or gives us a command. The connection between the two events is intentional and useful - triggers reciprocity and binds that god to the same chain of family and narration which we ourselves identify with and as.

The first gods (in the sense we now know them) were almost certainly dead ancestors. Red ochre burials signal the beginning of such beliefs and then very quickly burial reification or deification followed. They didn't write, so we don't know, but it would be entirely implausible to believe that a community which prepared it's dead in such a way didn't have people who espoused the wisdom of uncle ogg long after his demise.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#47
RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
Yeah, the emotional appeal from a venerable ones narrative carries weight.  Then experience teaches us this and that old maxim fails here and there, and we amend our thinking.  Refusing to amend our thinking in the face of failed ideas perverts our minds.
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