A simple argument against God

[Jehanne]

Pardon this is on my phone.

FM- u know very well I do whole heartedly believe what I said. I believe Harrison believes that Krishna exists. I have seen no evidence that Krishna exists, therefore I don’t believe that Krishna exists to me. But that’s what happens in subjective reality, what’s real and true to one isn’t necessarily the same to others. With the widest definition of exists, being evidenced by some to “be”. I would say that Krishna exists. I have no problems with their existing many gods other than God. I’m certain that my God isn’t even the same God as some Christians.


@Objectivist- here is where rational scrutiny fails as a definition; prove to me that a parent or SO loves you. I can’t prove to you I love you, but I do and it’s real to me. Does that mean my love for you doesn’t exist? What most people mean when they want proof is externally verifiable, measurable and repeatable material evidence.

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[Disagreeable]

[P1] If the prime mover requires a mind then there is justification for this
[P2] There is not justification for this
[C1] The prime mover does not require a mind

^^ A more interesting argument

I thought you identified as a theist now.

No? When was that? Was I drunk?

[The Grand Nudger]

IDK if it's entirely impossible to prove love. I even think that considering it as such is more than likely a defense mechanism for failing to have the sort of proof we might routinely expect in the case of a parent or so. If I wasn't convinced that my wife loved me, we wouldn't be married. If I wasn't convinced that she loved her children, we wouldn't be parents. My best friends love me, too, and I love them. Similar expectations and long experience apply just as well. If a god, or you, or the mailman fail some conceptual test of love, then the problem is unlikely to be that love is untestable and fundamentally unprovable, and more likely that you or a god or the mailman, don't feel the same way for us that we feel for each other. The claim, in effect, becomes christianese. It may mean something, and whatever that is may be true, but it isn't love.

Or, if we insist, we could posit the same thing we do for people who love, but fail to express or demonstrate that love - and say that they're just fuckups who can't do better. I somehow doubt that any believing person would want to apply these criteria to their gods.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[P1] If the prime mover requires a mind then there is justification for this
[P2] There is not justification for this
[C1] The prime mover does not require a mind

^^ A more interesting argument

Arguing from conclusion to premise. To wit:

If skyscrapers require concrete, then there is justification for this.
There is not justification for this.
Therefore skyscrapers do not require concrete.

[Jehanne]

My favorite:

A bishop can only move diagonally.
The Pope is the bishop of Rome.
Therefore, the Pope can only move diagonally.

[Simon Moon]

[P1] If there is any evidence for God then God likely exists
[P2] There is evidence for God
[C] God likely exists



which of course begs for definitions of God and evidence and exist ... I could brush off my debate hat if I had more time. Feel free to add your definitions L .

Yeah, maybe the OP should have stated it like this:

[P1] If there is no good evidence for God then God is unlikely to exist
[P2] There is no good evidence for God
[C] Therefore God is unlikely to exist

Because, as bad as it is, anecdotal evidence is still evidence.

Tthe philosophical arguments (Kalam, teleological, ontological, presup) don't count, because they are all either unsound or invalid.

[LinuxGal]

Here's a less interesting argument
[P1] Wet means to saturate something with water
[P2] You can't remove water from water without it not existing
[c1]  Water can't be saturated with water
[C2] Water can't be wet

Ok I'm off to work then.

[Lek]

Since there are a zillion definitions of God, can I assume your reasoning applies to any existence outside of the natural realm?

[Ranjr]

There is no natural realm for God to exist outside of.

[Lek]

What are we living in?