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RE: A simple argument against God
December 5, 2022 at 11:36 pm
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Quote:'existence (noun) is a thing' which makes it an 'effect', not a cause. Principle of Causality, cause precedes effect.
No on all counts. Once again you demonstrate your total ignorance... 
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 6, 2022 at 12:44 pm
(December 2, 2022 at 4:35 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (November 29, 2022 at 12:11 pm)The L Wrote: [P1] If the prime mover requires a mind then there is justification for this
[P2] There is not justification for this
[C1] The prime mover does not require a mind
^^ A more interesting argument
Arguing from conclusion to premise. To wit:
If skyscrapers require concrete, then there is justification for this.
There is not justification for this.
Therefore skyscrapers do not require concrete.
It's Modus Tollens form and a valid argument.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 6, 2022 at 12:49 pm
(December 2, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (December 2, 2022 at 12:18 pm)tackattack Wrote: . I would say that Krishna exists. I have no problems with their existing many gods other than God. I’m certain that my God isn’t even the same God as some Christians.
Oh great, so now you are a polytheist. How does that go with Christianity considering that Jesus and his dad don't allow it?
I suppose by the strictest definition I'm a polytheist then, I do believe in multiple gods. I don't worship multiple gods. It goes with Christianity perfectly fine. Aside from the aforementioned trinitarian belief, the first commandment implicitly assumes there are other gods to put before God.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 6, 2022 at 12:51 pm
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Henotheism. You'll find the most direct trouble with that in isaiah. Corinthians as well, depending on how you view the nt.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 6, 2022 at 7:02 pm
(December 6, 2022 at 12:44 pm)The L Wrote: (December 2, 2022 at 4:35 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Arguing from conclusion to premise. To wit:
If skyscrapers require concrete, then there is justification for this.
There is not justification for this.
Therefore skyscrapers do not require concrete.
It's Modus Tollens form and a valid argument.
Your problem lies in relying upon "justification".
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 7, 2022 at 10:28 pm
(December 5, 2022 at 11:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 5, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes.
The eternal thing is existence. Existence has always existed, it could not have been any other way.
And no, something 'not eternal' did not come out of nothing, it came out of existence.
Still no need for a god. 'existence (noun) is a thing' which makes it an 'effect', not a cause. Principle of Causality, cause precedes effect.
An effect of what? Something that doesn't exist? If existence is an effect, then what cause preceded existence? Does the notion of something preceding existence even make
sense? I think not.
Simon Moon you have nailed it. The correct answer, when asked where anything came from, is that it came from existence. No one can be tasked with stepping outside of existence to look for causes. A cause presupposes existence.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 7, 2022 at 10:47 pm
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(December 5, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (December 4, 2022 at 3:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: Philosophical statement - If anything now exists, then something must be eternal
or something not eternal came out of nothing.
Yes.
The eternal thing is existence. Existence has always existed, it could not have been any other way.
And no, something 'not eternal' did not come out of nothing, it came out of existence.
Still no need for a god.
Well it's nice to see you do believe in something that is not proven by science. By the way, prove your assertion.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 7, 2022 at 10:51 pm
(December 7, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Lek Wrote: (December 5, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes.
The eternal thing is existence. Existence has always existed, it could not have been any other way.
And no, something 'not eternal' did not come out of nothing, it came out of existence.
Still no need for a god.
Well it's nice to see you do believe in something that is not proven by science. By the way, prove your assertion.
Prove that fairies do not exist.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 7, 2022 at 11:25 pm
Prove God does not exist.
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RE: A simple argument against God
December 7, 2022 at 11:51 pm
(December 6, 2022 at 12:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Henotheism. You'll find the most direct trouble with that in isaiah. Corinthians as well, depending on how you view the nt.
I have no issue with the Israelites monaltry beliefs. Isaiah 45 is pretty clear, as is the rest of the OT that they believed in more than one god. That coupled with trinitarian belief light the letters of correction to the church of Corinth might lead to a solely monotheistic interpretation. What’s not clear though is the direct tie from idol to diety.
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