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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 10:44 am
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(January 10, 2023 at 10:21 am)Jehanne Wrote: (January 10, 2023 at 9:43 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Genesis 3:9
New International Version
9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
Does god just fake it?
Believers can easily explain this one away and have been doing so for centuries; they call it God's "middle knowledge", although, one's mileage will vary quite a bit in the realm of theology.
I don’t think either is the case. I’ve mentioned before that there’s no inconsistency or contradiction with God being omniscient and asking, ‘Where are you?’. There’s no reason that God couldn’t simply be asking a rhetorical question to which he already knew the answer.
Suppose you come home and find your kitchen bin dumped and scattered all over the floor, and your dog in the middle of the destruction happily gnawing on last night’s chicken carcass. Asking the dog, ‘What did you do??’ isn’t necessarily a request for information.
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Edit: Regarding the OP, this one was neatly wrapped up ages ago. God could provide proof of his existence. He opts not to, because he wants people to believe in him as a matter of faith. Why God expects his creations to rely on faith instead of evidence, however, is never satisfactorily explained.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 10:51 am
(January 10, 2023 at 9:01 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Can an all powerful god make himself not all knowing?
No, that would be logically impossible, because, such a being would cease to be God, or, at least this is what believers would say.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 10:53 am
(January 10, 2023 at 8:00 am)Jehanne Wrote: In his seminal book, The God Delusion, Professor Richard Dawkins states the following:
Quote:"If he existed and chose to reveal it, God himself could clinch the argument noisily and unequivocally in his favor."
If there was a god, could he prove that he was God?
Sure, It's not that hard to prove something. Proof is a process of reducing an idea to the perceptual level of consciousness. It would just have to show up and heal a few amputees, make it rain skittles, and hang a giant disco ball in the sky over every city that shouts out I am the lord your god. I'm sure an omnipotent and omniscient being could think of some even better things to do to prove its existence, but it hasn't even thought its adherents claim that it wants us all to believe in it and loves us and wants to have a relationship with us.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 10:54 am
(January 10, 2023 at 8:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: (January 10, 2023 at 8:29 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: An omnipotent god would be able to make everyone mentally aware of his existence. He would also know what evidence everyone would personally require to realize that he existed and he would provide said evidence.
One wonders why he does not do this. I would not even ask for money; some flowers would be sufficient, and, of course, God would know what types of flowers would be sufficient to convince me, even if I did not "know".
because it doesn't exist.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 11:32 am
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It should be pretty easy, and it wouldn't have to be omnipotent or omniscient in order to do so. We're told that people saw burning bushes or got big fuck all rainstorms and were sufficiently convinced.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 11:42 am
(January 10, 2023 at 11:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It should be pretty easy, and it wouldn't have to be omnipotent or omniscient in order to do so. We're told that people saw burning bushes or got big fuck all rainstorms and were sufficiently convinced.
Maybe mischievous aliens being pranksters?
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 4:43 pm
(January 10, 2023 at 10:21 am)Jehanne Wrote: (January 10, 2023 at 9:43 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Genesis 3:9
New International Version
9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
Does god just fake it?
Believers can easily explain this one away and have been doing so for centuries; they call it God's "middle knowledge", although, one's mileage will vary quite a bit in the realm of theology.
Believer also say Adam n Eve were a lot smarter then a child before eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
You'd think knowing their creators attributes would be downloaded at the dust sneeze and the invention of rib woman.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 5:46 pm
(January 10, 2023 at 11:42 am)Jehanne Wrote: (January 10, 2023 at 11:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It should be pretty easy, and it wouldn't have to be omnipotent or omniscient in order to do so. We're told that people saw burning bushes or got big fuck all rainstorms and were sufficiently convinced.
Maybe mischievous aliens being pranksters?
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 6:20 pm
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It depends on whom is viewing God's creations.
The Quran has a specific verse about this:
Quote:Sura 10, The Quran:
https://quran.com/10?startingVerse=97
(96) Surely the ones against whom the Word of your Lord has come true do not believe.
(97) Though every sign may have come to them, till they see the painful torment.
— Dr. Ghali
So many people will not believe, until something terrible (like the advent of a hurricane, or the advent of a Volcano Eruption) comes forth.
I think the question is wrong in its structure: it's not about God's ability to prove (because he can and does it every single moment); but it's about the people themselves.
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RE: Could an omnipotent and omniscient god prove that he was God?
January 10, 2023 at 6:25 pm
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(January 10, 2023 at 5:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (January 10, 2023 at 11:42 am)Jehanne Wrote: Maybe mischievous aliens being pranksters?
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It was a completely serious comment. Aliens may exist, and, perhaps, a crew entered our Solar System, and their commander decided to pull a "fast one" on the primitive Homo sapiens sapiens species living here, say, by igniting a bush on fire with an intense infrared beam from their cloaked ship.
How could one disprove this completely naturalistic possibility in favor of a supernatural explanation?
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