The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.

[The Architect Of Fate]

My point is while regular p-zombies are likely impossible unconscious creatures that are similar but not identical to humans seem to be possible and that potentially disproves the theory of evolution at least when it comes to humans.

Then your point is very silly and does remotely challenge evolution in any way shape or form...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The evolution of unicorns 

My point is while regular p-zombies are likely impossible unconscious creatures that are similar but not identical to humans seem to be possible and that potentially disproves the theory of evolution at least when it comes to humans.

How does an unconscious chimpanzee disprove evolution? I mean, if I thump J. Fred Muggs over the head with a cosh, does natural selection suddenly stop?

Also, why would it disprove just evolution when it comes to humans?

Boru

[Dmitry1983]

My point is while regular p-zombies are likely impossible unconscious creatures that are similar but not identical to humans seem to be possible and that potentially disproves the theory of evolution at least when it comes to humans.

How does an unconscious chimpanzee disprove evolution?

Proposed creature is VERY similar to humans. With our technology we could determine that it's different species but from evolutionary point of view it is as good at survival as humans(but lacks consciousness).

Also, why would it disprove just evolution when it comes to humans?

If such creature is possible, subjective experience is unnecessary for survival.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Repeating the same silly point won't make it any less silly...

[GrandizerII]

The evolution of unicorns 

My point is while regular p-zombies are likely impossible unconscious creatures that are similar but not identical to humans seem to be possible and that potentially disproves the theory of evolution at least when it comes to humans.

Flesh out your argument more please, so we know how you got to your conclusion that the p-zombie thought experiment potentially disproves human evolution. Sure, it potentially has some weird implications, but not sure what about it could potentially invalidate the theory of [human] evolution as a whole.

[GrandizerII]

How does an unconscious chimpanzee disprove evolution?

Proposed creature is VERY similar to humans. With our technology we could determine that it's different species but from evolutionary point of view it is as good at survival as humans(but lacks consciousness).

Also, why would it disprove just evolution when it comes to humans?

If such creature is possible, subjective experience is unnecessary for survival.

Epiphenomenalism being true doesn't automatically mean human evolution is false. If consciousness is an inevitable (but otherwise unnecessary from an evolutionary perspective) by-product of the workings of something complex like the brain, then evolution would still carry on, albeit with this practically unnecessary by-product called consciousness tagging along for the ride.

[Dmitry1983]

If consciousness is an inevitable (but otherwise unnecessary from an evolutionary perspective) by-product of the workings of something complex like the brain, then evolution would still carry on, albeit with this practically unnecessary by-product called consciousness tagging along for the ride.

Subjective experience seems to be too complex to be just a by-product. We can't even reproduce a single artificial quale.

[Angrboda]

How does an unconscious chimpanzee disprove evolution?

Proposed creature is VERY similar to humans. With our technology we could determine that it's different species but from evolutionary point of view it is as good at survival as humans(but lacks consciousness).

Also, why would it disprove just evolution when it comes to humans?

If such creature is possible, subjective experience is unnecessary for survival.

You've posed the $64,000 question. Unfortunately, neither you nor anyone else has the answer. P-zombies are hypothetical. One doesn't base one's conclusions on something assumed ex hypothesi.

(Well, I should specify that people who aren't stupid don't use it as their foundation. I'm not an expert on the behavior of morons, so perhaps they differ.)

[Mister Agenda]

Lack of evidence. Proposing something has no bearing on whether the something is real or not.

There's a lot of evidence to prove energy is sentient. :T You're claiming God does not exist, its your job to prove that he does not. And I'm not talking about the Biblical God, I have shattered the Bible. So now without the Bible prove to me God does not exist, you can't do it.

I have said that I do not claim that God doesn't exist. Were you incapable of retaining that information or are you insinuating that I am lying?

[Anomalocaris]

How does an unconscious chimpanzee disprove evolution? 

Proposed creature is VERY similar to humans. With our technology we could determine that it's different species but from evolutionary point of view it is as good at survival as humans(but lacks consciousness).

Also, why would it disprove just evolution when it comes to humans?

If such creature is possible, subjective experience is unnecessary for survival.

Bullshit.     if it is found that p-zombie chimp exist, or that even all chimps are p-sombies, it doesn’t even do the least bit in posing any challenge whatsoever to the framework of the evolution of human consciousness, nor cast doubt upon the survival advantages conferred by consciousness in the trajectory of environmental and social circumstances faced by direct ancestors of humans.      No one said investment in the metabolic overhead required to support the brain functions of consciousness can prove to be a profit making investment under all trajectories.     Chimps may be the closest living relative but are not a direct ancestor of men.   Which makes chimps even more distant from men than the most recent common ancestors of chimps and men.   A combined 12 million years of separate evolution under different trajectories of social and environmental pressures distinguishes us.