Nothing is everything.

[Violet]

It doesn't exist, might not even be possible, certainly isn't conceivable.

Sae is letting intuitions get in the way.

It does exist, is therefore not only possible but real, and I agree that it is not conceivable.

Yes... intuitions is what it is

Wtf?

Everything is the sum of all things, the universe is the sum of all things within a region of spacetime.

Nothing is NOT a thing, nothing is the ABSENCE of things. Literally, No Things = Zero things = 0

Reference: "No, everything is one thing. The universe is one. Adding zero to this does not change it. And nothing is also a thing, so calling it zero is kinda funny really."

I agree that everything is the sum of all things. I do not believe the universe is everything. There is undeniably nothing outside of the universe. Hehe, i did it again. It's actually funny to me ^_^

Nothing is a thing, it is the absence of things. Let's look at that again... nothing is the absence of things. I agree that nothing contains no things. Hence the point of the thing in the first place?

You're on crack, that's the only way I can rationalize how retarded you are some times.

This is going to go around in circles until you agree that nothing is NOT a thing.

I'm not on crack, amazingly. Don't touch drugs. Me is good girl. I could get them if I want, but I don't want. What could I possibly need drugs for when reality is so interesting?

Circles are fun... you don't need to be all arrogant like "until you agree", especially when the exact opposite could be said of you. Regardless, I do not believe it is a circle. It is quite clearcut to me, zero confusion even. Hence it's like reading farce when so many of you tell me otherwise. No doubt you have the same towards me. Only you lot seem confused

Everything - Everything = 0. Sure.

Now can you get it into your head that "no things" = "nothing"

Everything minus everything... is still everything. And it is also nothing. And it is still a total of one in both examples. One thing is everything, and that one thing is nothing. Nothing is everything, everything is nothing. But only in that example. Everything is not nothing in non-equivilent examples. Oh, and nothing is everything except everything, always.

Funnily enough, I already have it in my head that nothing = no things. However, I also understand that it is a thing. Not multiple things, mind. Just one.

Im not backing Sae up 100%. Nothing definitely = no thing.

Love the support, Rev And I agree. Nothing is no things, which is to say it is 1 thing.

I tried to expand my view of nothing and actually got "transparent" instead. My imagination just imagined something that is see through. Nothing looked like what I was looking at during the time.

Interesting... I don't agree or disagree.

Am I the only one who has a hard time trying to explain "nothingness"? The funny thing is that I expect nothingness to be perfect peace after death. Or should I say "non-existence".

Nope. And yes, death is nothingness. Death is peace.

Thumbs up if you have the same conundrum as I.

Can't, i don't have a conundrum about nothing It's always about something. But never nothing. Unless that something is nothing. But it's not.

You're trying to picture something with no form, it's bound to result in rough analogies.

Non existence = peace? How? Peace is a positive thing, not neutrality or nothingness.

I agree with the former statement fully.

Death is peace. The moment there is a single quiver in energy, a disturbance (in the force)... peace is no longer.

[reverendjeremiah]

You're trying to picture something with no form, it's bound to result in rough analogies.

Non existence = peace? How? Peace is a positive thing, not neutrality or nothingness.

Normally I would agree with your direction. ..but...

In this situation, I consider peace meaning that you flat out do not exist. Therefore there is nothing to trouble you. No joy. No sadness. No bother. No self. No nothing...

...exactly how it was 13.5 billion years BEFORE you were born.....

Maybe you should break it down more for him. I'm good at breaking things down. Maybe I can help.

No thanks Asshole. I think I'm doing fine with him so far.

Then maybe I can explain to him that his economic policies will go against his social policies?

Fucking asshole! You have no tact!

Can't, i don't have a conundrum about nothing It's always about something. But never nothing. Unless that something is nothing. But it's not.

Stop it! Just stop it Sae! You will scare the normals with such absurdities.

[ib.me.ub]

Under your own definition, you should have written nothing.

For it cannot be described. .?.

I don't disagree... any attempts made to describe a thing that has only existence and naught else are at best an attempt to rationalize the concept by the next best thing (ie: infinity and a very large number).

So why are you trying to describe it?

[Violet]

So why are you trying to describe it?

I often try to do difficult things, and plenty of time these are actually impossible. I love topping a difficult mountain. What greater reward could there be than success in a difficult goal?

[ib.me.ub]

It is not difficult, it is impossible by your own defintion.

[Violet]

Stop it! Just stop it Sae! You will scare the normals with such absurdities.

But it's the 'truth'! ^_^

I avoid religious debates for the same reason i avoid debates about nothing.

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It is not difficult, it is impossible by your own defintion.

I should think an impossible thing is difficult. 0.o

Attempting to describe nothing is something I do mostly for the benefit of others. But it can only be defined by a single thing... that being it's absence of things... so all attempts at defining nothing as something more than nothing are going to end up slightly more than nothing.

What thing is most similar to nothing is also a interesting idea

[ib.me.ub]

And what point does this serve?

[Violet]

And what point does this serve?

My enjoyment

[ib.me.ub]

Well, as long as you are happy I suppose.

[Violet]

Why hasn't doubtie posted in this thread yet? 0.o I'd have thought this was right on up his alley

Maybe he hasn't been on? Could've sworn i saw him recently enough