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How much pain can atheists withstand ?
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 (May 6, 2023 at 10:09 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: YOU claim a god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. I provided my proof : all experience show that only personal agents produce things. It takes work to accomplish things. A fortiori, it took some agent's work to bring about this universe and all it contains This is not deductive proof (it's not analytic), it's analogical (May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)purplepurpose Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:12 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: I think Jesus is mythologized in the bible. I believe he existed but not as described in the bible Jesus is just a human being, Zeus is mythology by definition. God may refer to a first cause who created everything. If people dont' care about it they're in trouble  RE: How much pain can atheists withstand ?
May 6, 2023 at 10:17 am
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(May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:09 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: YOU claim a god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. Really? You think every thing is created by someone? Like snowflakes are created by personal agents?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: How much pain can atheists withstand ?
May 6, 2023 at 10:19 am
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(May 6, 2023 at 10:15 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: Jesus is just a human being, Zeus is mythology by definition. God may refer to a first cause who created everything. If people dont' care about it they're in trouble There is no reason not to put Zeus or Sai Baba or any other god behind "first cause" BS, they are equally valid as any other god.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
(May 6, 2023 at 10:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: I provided my proof : Yes why not  (May 6, 2023 at 10:15 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)purplepurpose Wrote: They way you don't care about the Jesus and Zeus, people don't care about your God who tortures people. Don't waste your time. What denomination you are from, what religion?  (May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:09 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: YOU claim a god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. Does a god make every wave in the sea? Must keep him busy, just think, if he stopped doing it the sea would be perfectly flat... or would he need to make it flat too? 
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it! (May 6, 2023 at 10:19 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really? You think every thing is created by someone? Like snowflakes are created by personal agents? Because people have observed the making of a snowflake and have not seen any personal agent, just forces of nature.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
 (May 6, 2023 at 9:28 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 2, 2023 at 6:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't see how I have any input in the matter. Fundamentally...if I want to go to hell and a god wants to send me to heaven, that's what it's going to do. If I want to go to heaven and a god wants to send me to hell...that's what it's going to do. More personally, I don't find that I can actually choose what I do and don't admire, what types of authority I perceive to be justified, or what sorts of acts or demands or plans I find good or worthy. Which god? ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) (May 6, 2023 at 10:13 am)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:09 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: YOU claim a god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. Analogical arguments don't prove or demonstrate things. They are useful for illustration or pedagogy, nothing more. The general consensus is that the argument from design is unsuccessful, for numerous reasons that we can get into if you like. Your presentation of it isn't particularly skillful, much less persuasive. Can you show that it is necessary for snowflakes to have been designed? Can you show that it is necessary for life to have been designed? Can you show that it is necessary for the universe to have been designed? Can you show the universe was even created? (Big tip: no you can't) |
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