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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 3:55 pm
(May 11, 2023 at 3:44 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: The Grand Nudger Wrote:Bans don't apply to cops. For most mass shootings, when seconds count, police is minutes away.
And even when police is in the building, they are often too far away. In the mass shooting in Đakovo in 2019, the shooter Andrija Drežnjak passed by an armed police officer, who failed to stop him. Had people in the room where the mass shooting happened been armed, maybe fewer people would have died.
How many people can be killed with an AR in those minutes it takes for a cop to arrive and handle the situation?
A fully automatic AR-15 can shoot between 800 and 900 rounds per minute.
Write a program for 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes. Or just do the math. The slowdown is the time to reload if you aren't firing from a belt.
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May 11, 2023 at 3:58 pm
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(May 11, 2023 at 3:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Jesus, another one. What's the point? I've got a proposition that you'll love. We hand everyone -but- the terrorists an ar on their 16th bday, which they're required to carry. We ban the terrorists from having any guns whatsoever, and we make it the legal duty of all be-gunned individuals to eliminate any terrorist they see with prejudice. Probably outta shoot their dogs too, just in case.
(May 11, 2023 at 3:44 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: The Grand Nudger Wrote:Bans don't apply to cops. For most mass shootings, when seconds count, police is minutes away.
And even when police is in the building, they are often too far away. In the mass shooting in Đakovo in 2019, the shooter Andrija Drežnjak passed by an armed police officer, who failed to stop him. Had people in the room where the mass shooting happened been armed, maybe fewer people would have died. That's why everyone will be required to carry their government issued assault rifle? I see what you mean, though. If we only give them to 16 year olds there could conceivably be rooms where there was only one, maybe no, assault rifles. Let's hand em out to..say.. five year olds, same instructions. Kill any terrorist you see, and their dog. Somebody starts talking about how biden is illegitimate and theres a pedo ring in the basement...-boom- problem solved. You -never- have to worry how many people a dead terrorist will kill.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 4:47 pm
(May 11, 2023 at 3:37 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:That being the case, why aren’t more mass shooters being stopped by armed civilians? One reason is that most mass shootings happen in gun-free zones.
So then no one with one of these high-tech precision weapons would be there to stop the shooter.
You don’t think things through.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 5:08 pm
It's no longer a gun-free zone when the bullets start flying.
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May 11, 2023 at 5:10 pm
As a PS - there are places that are supposed to be gun-free. That doesn't mean they are.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 5:51 pm
Quote:One reason is that most mass shootings happen in gun-free zones.
No they don't
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 6:05 pm
Flat’s thinking is kinda funny; he wants law-abiding citizens to be armed so they can stop mass shooters. But he also claims that most of these shootings happen in gun free zones. Well, once Joe Public brings his gun to one of these zones, he’s no longer a law-abiding citizen…he’s a criminal.
A possible solution might be to do away with such zones and actually encourage everyone to bring their guns. What could possibly go wrong?
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May 11, 2023 at 6:12 pm
I think I am going to not take life lessons from Flat. Be they regarding sesame seeds or firearms.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 9:21 pm
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(May 11, 2023 at 6:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A possible solution might be to do away with such zones and actually encourage everyone to bring their guns. What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, if that doesn't work, then we can just give guns to the guns, too. At some point were bound to crack the mass shooting puzzle, it's just a matter of getting enough guns involved.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
May 11, 2023 at 9:34 pm
(May 11, 2023 at 11:07 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:Sorry, but we need to work with the data we have. A terrible study is still better than a-priori reasoning, and a-priori reasoning is better than intuition.
Sorry but it's a garbage study written by a hack 
Not to mention that absent some objective criteria "better" is a subjective value judgment.
Also, as someone who works with data every day - garbage data is garbage. It's a bit like a syllogism with garbage premises. Garbage in, garbage out. "BuT iT's ThE bEsT wE HaVE!!!!!1111!!!". It isn't. It's one that produced a result gun nuts like. It's methodology is trash, as a result the data is trash, and it's conclusions are trash.
Kleck's work is oft-refuted garbage and nobody ought spend additional effort to debunk it.
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