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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 4:28 pm
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(July 5, 2023 at 2:19 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 5, 2023 at 12:07 pm)Helios Wrote: No it is not
The philosophy of evidence-based medicine was, ahem, inspired by the case of Ignaz Semmelweis. Semmelweis made a study which was widely perceived as flawed and having implausible conclusions... but which turned out, decades later, to be right (when Louis Pasteur formulated the Germ Theory, which gave a convincing theoretical explanation for the Semmelweis'es findings). This is false evidence-based medicine came well before Ignaz Semmelweis and if it was true it was a crude and flawed method of which shouldn't be relied upon. Glecks study is dog do do and can be soundly rejected till it's demonstrated to be correct. Till then we have no reliable data and thus no real conclusion.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 4:41 pm
(July 5, 2023 at 4:28 pm)Helios Wrote: (July 5, 2023 at 2:19 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: The philosophy of evidence-based medicine was, ahem, inspired by the case of Ignaz Semmelweis. Semmelweis made a study which was widely perceived as flawed and having implausible conclusions... but which turned out, decades later, to be right (when Louis Pasteur formulated the Germ Theory, which gave a convincing theoretical explanation for the Semmelweis'es findings). This is false evidence-based medicine came well before Ignaz Semmelweis and if it was true it was a crude and flawed method of which shouldn't be relied upon. Glecks study is dog do do and can be soundly rejected till it's demonstrated to be correct. Till then we have no reliable data and thus no real conclusion.
You need to understand that all the arguments about empirical matters are to a higher or a lesser degree flawed. Take a look at the Aristotel's arguments for the Earth being round and how Flat-Earthers think they are flawed. Ships disappear bottom first? Maybe that's an illusion caused by waves. Constellations shift as you move north or south? Maybe that's caused by stars being only 3'100 miles up in the sky. The shadow on the Moon during lunar eclipse is round? Maybe that shadow is not the Earth's shadow, but of some other celestial body.
You don't get to reject a study just based on its perceived flaws. You need to point to a better study.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 4:57 pm
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-and what...do you think, should be croatias no1 "evidence based policy".........? Man, just fuckin say it.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:08 pm
Quote:You need to understand that all the arguments about empirical matters are to a higher or a lesser degree flawed. Take a look at the Aristotel's arguments for the Earth being round and how Flat-Earthers think they are flawed. Ships disappear bottom first? Maybe that's an illusion caused by waves. Constellations shift as you move north or south? Maybe that's caused by stars being only 3'100 miles up in the sky. The shadow on the Moon during lunar eclipse is round? Maybe that shadow is not the Earth's shadow, but of some other celestial body.
You don't get to reject a study just based on its perceived flaws. You need to point to a better study.
What you need to understand is what your saying here is pure absurdity.
And yes I can reject the study as it is garbage. You by contrast can't use it as evidence of anything. Because it isn't.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:09 pm
(July 5, 2023 at 4:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and what...do you think, should be croatias no1 "evidence based policy".........? Man, just fuckin say it. Demanding actually reliable research is dumb apparently
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:10 pm
(July 5, 2023 at 4:41 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 5, 2023 at 4:28 pm)Helios Wrote: This is false evidence-based medicine came well before Ignaz Semmelweis and if it was true it was a crude and flawed method of which shouldn't be relied upon. Glecks study is dog do do and can be soundly rejected till it's demonstrated to be correct. Till then we have no reliable data and thus no real conclusion.
You need to understand that all the arguments about empirical matters are to a higher or a lesser degree flawed. Take a look at the Aristotel's arguments for the Earth being round and how Flat-Earthers think they are flawed. Ships disappear bottom first? Maybe that's an illusion caused by waves. Constellations shift as you move north or south? Maybe that's caused by stars being only 3'100 miles up in the sky. The shadow on the Moon during lunar eclipse is round? Maybe that shadow is not the Earth's shadow, but of some other celestial body.
You don't get to reject a study just based on its perceived flaws. You need to point to a better study.
This might be an interesting discussion to have were it not for the obvious fact that you cling to this argument because you know the things you believe are supported by crap evidence.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:13 pm
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I don't care about "research" - I just want this child of violence to say the thing and stop wasting our time. I already know the answer.
His dad is a fucking collaborating face on a card we never cashed. A war criminal. I can't respect crypto bitches.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:33 pm
(July 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let's test this notion.
What, in your estimation Flat.... is the greatest disparity between current croatian policy and an evidence based policy?
The vast majority of government policies are not based on evidence. In fact, I think only the regulation of antibiotics to prevent superbacteria is based on evidence.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
July 5, 2023 at 5:40 pm
(July 5, 2023 at 5:33 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let's test this notion.
What, in your estimation Flat.... is the greatest disparity between current croatian policy and an evidence based policy?
The vast majority of government policies are not based on evidence. In fact, I think only the regulation of antibiotics to prevent superbacteria is based on evidence.
You need a nap.
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