Blinken practices Liberal Appeasement: "Do not support Taiwan's Independence".

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Nishant Xavier

China is strongest and most disciplined 'enemy' the US ever faced, warns Nikki Haley. We need to hold China accountable. Let's start with Covid", 

I wouldn’t believe Nikki Haley if she told me my bollocks were on fire, even if I could smell the smoke.

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

Marx himself was not a Communist? Lol. Guess that's why he wrote the Communist Manifesto. "The Communist Manifesto summarises Marx and Engels' theories concerning the nature of society and politics, namely that, in their own words, "[t]he history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles". It also briefly features their ideas for how the capitalist society of the time would eventually be replaced by socialism. In the last paragraph of the Manifesto, the authors call for a "forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions", which served as a call for communist revolutions around the world.[1][2]" (Wiki)

Now, here's some information, for those who wish to profit from it, about how Communists think and why Appeasement is deadly. If you want to wake up before it's too late, you can. If not, that's also ok. But I will not stop speaking the Truth about what Communists have done and how they think.

Bolshevik Revolutionary Dmitry Manuilsky declared, "War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. But today we are too weak to strike. Our day will come in 30-40 years. But first we must lull the capitalist nations to sleep with the greatest overtures of peace and disarmament known throughout history. And then, when their guard is dropped, we will smash them with our clenched fist."

It is the oldest trick in the book, the Trojan Horse of a False Peace, to let your enemy drop their guard, so that you can "smash them with our clenched fist." this is how Commies think. The Communist Chinese Party is influenced by the same madness that influenced the Bolshevik Terrorists.

Yes, Marx himself was not a communist as you would have seen, but not understood, the term to have been used.

The “communist” in Communist Menifesto refer to sects of Jacobin in the 1840s who regarded themselves as descendants of the radical phase of the 1789 French Revolution.    The outlook of these sects were socialist rather than communism as the terms are understood in the 20th century.    These “communist” sects instigated a few ineffectual efforts at forceful,social reform and effectively petered out and disappeared as political influence by the 1850s.

Marx developed his signal Marxist social, economic, and political theory not in the communist manifesto but in the Das Kapital published 20 years later.  In it Marx repudiated the notion that utopia comes from random  violent overthrow of existing social order.   Rather he hypothesized that his communist utopia arises naturally from a broad base out of highly developed capitalistic societies,  and would naturally replace most existing social order in what he considered predictable and scientific way.    The mainstream communists of the 20th century descend from those who claim the Das Kapital, not the communist manifesto, to be the theoretical basis of their struggle.   These people call themselves communists not I n homage to the communists of 1840s, but to the communards of Paris Commune of 1870s.     

But communists of 1880s and those who later succeeded in gaining power anywhere in the 20th century actually did so by repudiating the central thesis of Marx as outlined in the Das Kapital.    Marx hypothesized that utopian communism arises naturally, from a broad proletarian base, out of very highly developed industrialized technological society,  not violently through peasant mob instigated by a cliche of professional revolutionaries, out of barely industrialized or agrarian societies.    Karl Marx certainly would not have approved of either the Russian or the Chinese communist revolutions because these are precisely the opposite, nor would he have considered them anything like a step in the right direction towards the highest stage of social development as he envisioned.

While most communist movements of the 20th century paid lip service to Marx while ignoring his central tenant than progress towards a better society than possibly under capitalism is only possible in society that already achieved advanced capitalism,    The CCP under Xi Jinping stopped even paying lip service.     The official party line is china’s pragmatic embrace of capitalism economic structure and tools under authoritarianism of the communist party has produced a track record of success over the last 30 years that proves actual Chinese practice to be superior to Marx’s theories.    They call the Chinese practice “socialism with Chinese character”, not “communism”.

[Belacqua]

US weapons manufacturers need the parts they get from China. If we went to war with China, we'd need to buy weapons from them to do it.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0b94966-d6fa...e71eb7282e

[Anomalocaris]

China’s place in the pentagon’s parts supply chain is a much smaller problem because in the scheme of military spending, squandering money by buying costly alternatives from inefficient domestic or friendly suppliers is not a big deal, especially when weighed against the political gain.

China’s place in the supply chain of capital goods - tools and equipment used to make other stuff - is a vastly bigger problem.   It is almost impossible to find manufacturing equipment for most finished commercial goods that doesn’t have critical Chinese part content .   So if the US wish to stop buying finished commercial goods form the Chinese and start to either make it ourselves or buy it from friendlier sources at anything close to competitive prices,  the wish can only be fulfilled if the Chinese agree to sell the parts for the manufacturing equipment used to make the finished goods to the manufacturer we wish to buy the finished goods from.

Partial decoupling is not impossible, but it will be very difficult, complete decoupling is nearly impossible and efforts at it will be much more costly to the relative economic position of the U.S. in the world than commonly recognized.

Basically, China today represent perhaps 40-50% of the entire world’s competitive advanced manufacturing capability.    One could not cut that out of one’s supply chain without paying a huge overall economic efficiency penalty.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I see Nutshot has shown his true colors.

[Deesse23]

Lets sum up NXs worldview:

• Atheists are godless and immoral
  
• Thats why they kill (and probably eat) babies
  
• All commies are atheists
  
• All atheists are commies
  
• Socialists...well, see above
  
• Commies/Atheists are evil (probably repeat myself here, but cant hurt to point out how evil they are)
  
• Catholics on the other side, catholics are sooooo good, although they fucked up the planet for almost 2k years now. Why are they good: Because they allegedly learn and (were forced to) fuck up less now
  
• Atheists/commies are insanely stupid. Why? I came to their forum, blazing guns and all that, opened sever threads immeadiately and exposed that they are incompetent in history, politics, math, biology, ethics, sociology, economy, etc. All of them get all of it completely wrong all of the time. Either this or.....i am the idiot, but the Pope ensured me thats not the case.
  

[Deesse23]

Very dark things are going on in Commie China, led by the Commie CCP, including Persecution of Uyghur Muslims and other Human Right Violations. CFR: "More than a million Muslims have been arbitrarily detained in China’s Xinjiang region. The reeducation camps are just one part of the government’s crackdown on Uyghurs ... The United States determined that China’s actions constitute genocide, while a UN report said they could amount to crimes against humanity."

Karl Marx, the Atheistic Communist behind Marxism, wrote this on Revolutionary Terror: "In his article "The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna" in the Neue Rheinische Zeitung (No. 136, 7 November 1848), Karl Marx wrote that there is only one means to shorten, simplify and concentrate the murderous death throes of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new, only one means—revolutionary terrorism" (Wiki) This notion that Marx was a good person is an absurdity.

Sure, the CCP recognized Marx was a Bad Economist, granted, lol. Who doesn't know that already, exactly? But they haven't given up other aspects of his absurd ideas, including Revolutionary Terror and authoritarian rule once Communism is established.

Maria Spiridinova, one of the first Russian ladies to be disillusioned with the "glories" of Communism (once she saw what it really was about), wrote: " Maria Spiridonova, at the time in prison awaiting trial. In her Open Letter to the Central Executive of the Bolshevik party, she wrote:Never in the most corrupt of Parliaments, never in the most venal papers of capitalist society has hatred of opponents reached such heights of cynicism as your hatred.These nightly murders of fettered, unarmed, helpless people, these secret shootings in the back, the unceremonious burial on the spot of bodies, robbed to the very shirt, not always quite dead, often still groaning, in a mass grave—what sort of Terrorism is this?

Anyway, to what someone asked, yes, I disagree with Commie-bootlicking-appeasement no matter whether Democrat or Republican does it. Prez. Raegan got it right in his time, Peace through Strength is what brought down Communism in the Soviet Union; today, I agree with Nikki Haley.

NATO recently started talks to open an office in Japan. The logical thing for NATO to do to counter Commie China is include Asian Countries like Japan, South Korea, India and the Philippines, beside other democratic countries, in the Alliance. Don't be fooled by the CCP's games. It's gonna invade Taiwan.

I just read the Russia-Ukraine thread and saw many thought Russia would not invade. And then it did. Always better to be well prepared anyway.

A US General said: "My gut tells me will fight in 2025". Biden contradicted Blinken a while ago, btw, for he said the US would militarily stop China if it tried to invade Taiwan. More crazy liberal appeasement, self-contradictions, and evidence that not Bidenhimself, but others, run the White House.

The only possible thing that could deter Commie China from invading Taiwan is not their self-restraint and moral considerations, but a strong Alliance of all freedom-loving nations where the Free World makes it clear to Commie China that the world will not tolerate an invasion of Taiwan.

"China is strongest and most disciplined 'enemy' the US ever faced, warns Nikki Haley. We need to hold China accountable. Let's start with Covid", she said. Time to wake up, Commie-sympathizers. If Communism wins, it won't be pleasant for any of us, freedom-loving Atheists included.

Bolding mine
And Russia vs Ukriane has what exactly to do with the rest of your rant about commies?

Time to wake up, Commie-sympathizers. If Communism wins, it won't be pleasant for any of us, freedom-loving Atheists included.

What was your plan here? Invade this forum, shit on the carpet insult us all, and then try to rally us up against China? 
Who here is a commie, or commie sympathizer? Name and quotes please.

[Fake Messiah]

Nishant is worried that we follow Karl Marx (which we don't) because of his supposed violent rethoric towards Christians, while he, Nishant, follows Catholic Church and theologians that have propagated hate and are responsible for the worst crimes in human history against Christians - Nishant's hypocrisy is infinite.

Nishant is a devoted follower of Pope Innocent III who declared a major crusade to destroy the Albigenses, with a motto "Kill them all. God will know His own."

Nishant preaches St.Thomas Aquinas who declared: "If coiners and other malefactors are justly doomed to death, much more may heretics be justly slain," thus encouraging slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people who were "wrong" kind of Christians like Waldensians, Amalricans, Beghards, Beguines, Lollards, and many more, all ordered by Nishant's beloved Popes in Rome.
Heck, Catholic Church was so vile towards non Catholics that even Muslims showed more mercy, like when they preserved Coptic Orthodox Christians in Egypt that would have been slaughtered by Pope's army.

Then, Pope Benedict has a special place in Nishant's heart because he told people in Africa not to use condoms, thus exposing Catholics to get AIDS.

Then there is also Nishant's fervent stance on anti abortion which is nothing more than an excuse to torture women. Even before Roe v. Wade was abolished, women in Catholic hospitals who needed an abortion were tortured because they had not bleed enough, and their lives were not in danger enough. Remember Savita Halappanavar? She died in 2012 from sepsis after her request for an abortion was denied in Ireland, thus creating an outcry against Nishants in Ireland whose misogynistic death cult held these barbaric laws in place.

[no one]

Maybe pull your tounge out of trump's asshole for awhile, you warthog faced buffoon.

[Nishant Xavier]

In this thread, I am speaking exclusively of the duty/obligation of fighting Communism. You do know Communism is responsible for over 100 MN deaths in the 20th Century, right? Your sophisms about the Catholic Church I will answer in the appropriate place. Btw, the Catholic Church, under Pope Pius XII, saved nearly 1 MN Jewish lives in the Nazi Period, in the 20th Century, according to Jewish Scholars. This is from the Jewish Virtual Library: ""The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together."

Some of you are speaking of things 1000 years later when Islamism was attacking Christendom, the struggle was existential, and things were very, very different than they are now. But we admit mistakes were made, and are capable of humility and self-reflection. You ought to show the same, and recognize Militant Atheism, which both Marx and the Communists promoted, did great harm, to Christians and other Innocents, with whom we stand. That people don't know, for e.g. that Atheistic Communist Mao Zedong was the Worst Murderer of the 20th Century is shameful. Just like Russian Commie Thug Stalin didn't want word of the Holodomor, when we killed some 10 MN Ukrainians, to go out and become widely known in the West, so too Chinese Commie Thug, and his collaborators in the West, have worked to prevent this Truth he killed 60+ MN People from getting out deeply and penetrating the popular understanding of 20th century events. But the Truth about the Holodomor is getting about, and the Truth about what Communist devils did to the Poor Chinese people will also get out eventually. I am not against any Chinese persons. I am against Communist Ideology.

From Heritage Foundation: "Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear."

Freedom-Loving Atheists, if they were genuinely Freedom-Loving, and loved their neighbor, should stand with us, right? But if you don't, it's ok. Ultimately, we'll win anyway. As Nikki Haley said, "Like the Soviet Union before it, Communist China will End Up on the Ash Heap of History"!

She gets it. Commies and Comsyps don't/