'God', the biggest practitioner of abortion!

[Simon Moon]

We are his; God's; he is free to shape us like he wills.
Imagine a "CPU" factory; the engineer inventing the CPUs is allowed to do what he/she pleases.

That is an immoral god, then.

Your analogy is flawed, since CPU's do not have: consciousness, sentience, emotion, empathy, feel pain, etc, etc.

Imagine an AI bot, the programmer controlling it is allowed to terminate it, evolve it, fashion it into a bigger software idea they have,

The creator can do what he pleases,
What angers you? you're picturing it as the creature has a saying in their advent to this universe !

Not if the AI actually does become sentient and conscious. At that point, it may actually become immoral to terminate it. That discussion is actually becoming very important among philosophers and computer scientists.

Leave nature to flow as it is, don't intervene.

As he: accesses the internet, posts on forums, takes advantage of modern medical science, probably drives a car, lives in a house with running water, heat/air conditioning, modern kitchen, etc, etc, etc... That seems like an awful lot of intervening in nature to me.

Are you ready to give all that so you can; "Leave nature to flow as it is, don't intervene"?

Here's a question for you:
Are humans able to change 'god's' plan?

[The Grand Nudger]

Don't be ridiculous, "allah" wants him to have all that shit, just as surely as "allah" doesn't want us to have something so simple as a personal opinion.

It's never not an unhinged death threat, with an islamist. There's something terribly wrong with their silly religion. It can't be fixed.

[Deesse23]

Leave nature to flow as it is, don't intervene.

Does that include people with MS?

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC it does. He should just fucking die. I hope he gets to suck a cock before he does. Just big thick ropes of hot cum, right down his throat..or up his ass, whatever he's watching right now.

[WinterHold]

We are his; God's; he is free to shape us like he wills.
Imagine a "CPU" factory; the engineer inventing the CPUs is allowed to do what he/she pleases.

Imagine an AI bot, the programmer controlling it is allowed to terminate it, evolve it, fashion it into a bigger software idea they have,

The creator can do what he pleases,
What angers you? you're picturing it as the creature has a saying in their advent to this universe !

Leave nature to flow as it is, don't intervene.

That's like saying a parent has a right to hurt their children just because they gave birth to them. No they don't; they may have the might but they don't have the right. Same thing with a hypothetical god; it has the might to mistreat its creations but not the right. And if it chooses to do that, then if it also gives me free will, the one thing it can  never get from me is my truly, freely, willingly given love and respect, no matter how it mistreats me with its might. Sure it might break me, but that is not the same as truly, freely, willingly given love and respect.

A parent is not God.
Your parents didn't create you, they only acted as transport for DNA.

You and I were always mere constructs, orchestrated by God in our essence.

The real question is "who made the spark between your mom and dad" ?
That spark which was a life-long cause and effect led to the intercourse between your parents.
Every life event leading to that spark, which caused the intercourse was part of what we call "fate".


Your parents are mere tools.
The only thing under their control was the choice of "doing the intercourse" or not.

[The Grand Nudger]

I made the spark between your mom and dad...so stop complaining about your lot in life?

[The Architect Of Fate]

A parent is not God.

If he was he would be in jail 

Your parents didn't create you, they only acted as transport for DNA.

Yes they did they are the only thing close to a provable creator.

You and I were always mere constructs, orchestrated by God in our essence.

Nope were being orchestrated purely by our own will and the conditions of our environment.

The real question is "who made the spark between your mom and dad" ?
That spark which was a life-long cause and effect led to the intercourse between your parents.
Every life event leading to that spark, which caused the intercourse was part of what we call "fate".

Nope that would be called bio chemistry no magic involved

Your parents are mere tools.

Nope that free and independent being who have complete rights to their bodies and their sex lives.

The only thing under their control was the choice of "doing the intercourse" or not.

Nope they get to deiced if they remain pregnant or not and if they decide to not be pregnant they have every right to stop being pregnant.

[WinterHold]

These people want to bore us with endless moralizing, but at the bottom of the well, they're perfectly fine positing human property and excusing their god for whatever it happens to do on that basis.

Let's test this theory.  It obvious that your islamic nations belong to gog and magog, we created them.  We can do whatever we want to you, as your owner.  You speak against us, but what are you angry about...as though you had some say in it?  Leave nature to flow as it is.

Gog and Magog are way older than America.
Remember: they began their first reign with the Xiongnu , the dam of Gog Magog was built to protect the the Chinese people from the attacks of Gog Magog, or the Xiongnu.

BTW the Xiongnu compose "Russians and Chinese" to some degree:

Russian and Chinese anthropological and craniofacial studies show that the Xiongnu were physically very heterogenous, with six different population clusters showing different degrees of West Eurasian and East Asian physical traits.[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu

Yes..we have no saying in so many things.

[The Grand Nudger]

...and we own you, so shut the fuck up with your complaints...right?

[arewethereyet]

That's like saying a parent has a right to hurt their children just because they gave birth to them. No they don't; they may have the might but they don't have the right. Same thing with a hypothetical god; it has the might to mistreat its creations but not the right. And if it chooses to do that, then if it also gives me free will, the one thing it can  never get from me is my truly, freely, willingly given love and respect, no matter how it mistreats me with its might. Sure it might break me, but that is not the same as truly, freely, willingly given love and respect.

A parent is not God.
Your parents didn't create you, they only acted as transport for DNA.

You and I were always mere constructs, orchestrated by God in our essence.

The real question is "who made the spark between your mom and dad" ?
That spark which was a life-long cause and effect led to the intercourse between your parents.
Every life event leading to that spark, which caused the intercourse was part of what we call "fate".


Your parents are mere tools.
The only thing under their control was the choice of "doing the intercourse" or not.

Bold mine - not who but what.

I'm guessing heavy on the hormones and maybe a little alcohol.  Mom was 16, had big boobs, and a southern accent and dad was a 20 year old sailor away from the farm for the first time.  Ain't rocket science.