History: The Iniquitous Anti-Christian French Revolution.

[Rev. Rye]

Since the church was in on the excesses that led up to the French Revolution, is it not surprising the people had a problem with them?

That tends to be a common factor in countries that go from very Christian to virulently anti-Christian. Either that or the established churches becoming deeply opposed to them before they took over.

[no one]

Vizzini, is that you?

[Bucky Ball]

1. US President John Adams said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly unfit for the Governance of any other". He said this after seeing the disastrous effects of the iniquitous Anti-Christian French Revolution which was roughly contemporaneous. Of course in America, where Christians were far and away the Dominant Majority, there was Religious Freedom for all including Atheists. In France, once so great and gloriously Christian after it had been Evangelized by St. Remigius, the Apostle to the Franks - like Ireland was Evangelized by St. Patrick, like England was Evangelized by Saint Augustine of Canterbury, all of these were Saintly Catholic Priests/Bishops - there was none for Christians. Why was that?

1. Here is Wiki:

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"The dechristianization of France during the French Revolution is a conventional description of the results of a number of separate policies conducted by various governments of France between the start of the French Revolution in 1789 and the Concordat of 1801, forming the basis of the later and less radical laïcité policies. The aim of the campaign between 1790 and 1794 ranged from the appropriation by the government of the great landed estates and the large amounts of money held by the Gallican Church (the Roman Catholic Church in France) to the termination of Christian religious practice and of the religion itself.[1][2][3] There has been much scholarly debate over whether the movement was popularly motivated or motivated by a small group of revolutionary radicals.[1]

The French Revolution initially began with attacks on Church corruption and the wealth of the higher clergy, an action with which even many Christians could identify, since the Gallican Church held a dominant role in pre-revolutionary France. During a two-year period known as the Reign of Terror, the episodes of anti-clericalism became some the most violent of any in modern European history. The new revolutionary authorities suppressed the Church, abolished the Catholic monarchy, nationalized Church property, exiled 30,000 priests, and killed hundreds more.[4] In October 1793, the Christian calendar was replaced with one reckoned from the date of the Revolution, and Festivals of Liberty, Reason, and the Supreme Being were scheduled. New forms of moral religion emerged, including the deistic Cult of the Supreme Being and the atheistic Cult of Reason,[5] with the revolutionary government briefly mandating observance of the former in April 1794.[6][7][8][9][10]"

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From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristia...Revolution It's not even clear a majority of the French People were Anti-Christians. But somehow these Anti-Christian violent Radicals gained power and then did their evil with the guillotines etc.

2. Next, it should be noted the First Christian region in the New World that practiced Religious Freedom or Religious Tolerance was a Catholic Christian one: Lord Baltimores Maryland. 

Here's the source:

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"8. Catholic Maryland: The First Tolerant American Colony

A. Patrick O'Hare

"Catholics . . . were the first in America to proclaim and to practice civil and religious liberty . . . The colony established by Lord Baltimore in Maryland granted civil and religious liberty to all who professed different beliefs . . . 

B. Martin Marty (P)

"Baltimore . . . welcomed, among other English people, even the Catholic-hating Puritans (8) . . . In January of 1691 . . . the new regime brought hard times for Catholics as the Protestants closed their church, forbade them to teach in public . . . but . . . the little outpost of practical Catholic tolerance had left its mark of promise on the land." (9) ..


D. Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (P)

• "In the 17th century the most notable instances of practical toleration were the colonies of Maryland, founded by Lord Baltimore in 1632 for persecuted Catholics, which offered asylum also to Protestants, and of Rhode Island, founded by Roger Williams." (78:1383)"From: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apol...protin.htm

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I post this just to set the historical record straight. Read the facts for yourself from such unimpeachable sources as the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church and then decide whatever you think. It's good that today people of different convictions can live together peacefully side by side. That shows humanity as a whole has in fact collectively matured in time, which is good. However, the historical record clearly shows Christians, not Atheists, including such Catholic Christians as Lord Baltimore in Maryland, were Pioneers in promoting Religious Liberty at at time Atheists weren't.

Catholics were HATED in 1776. 
https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.e...ory_honors
No Popery.

[h4ym4n]

He needs to run all this stuff through chatgbt to see if it’s been debunk before embarrassing herself

[h4ym4n]

Or maybe he is using chatgbt for stupid arguments to piss atheists off?

[Fake Messiah]

However, the historical record clearly shows Christians, not Atheists, including such Catholic Christians as Lord Baltimore in Maryland, were Pioneers in promoting Religious Liberty at at time Atheists weren't.

That is a lie. Here is from Napoleon's biography by Andrew Roberts:

Reforms that Napoleon imposed on the newly conquered territories included the abolition of internal tariffs, which helped to stimulate economic development, the ending of noble assemblies and other centres of feudal privilege, financial restructurings aimed at bringing down state debt, ending the restrictive guild system, imposing religious toleration, closing the ghettos and allowing Jews to live anywhere, and sometimes nationalizing Church property. These modernizing measures, which were repeated in most of the territories he conquered over the coming decade, were applauded by middle-class progressives in many lands beyond France, including by people who hated Napoleon.

Where he abolished the Inquisition, obscure feudal practices, anti-Semitic regulations and restraints on trade and industry such as the guilds, Napoleon also brought genuine enlightenment to peoples who, without his armies’ victories, would have remained often without rights or equality before the law.

Napoleon wrote from Milan in May 1796 to the eminent Italian astronomer Barnaba Oriani. ‘Men of learning in Milan have not enjoyed proper respect. They hid themselves in their laboratories and thought themselves lucky if . . . priests left them alone. All is changed today. Thought in Italy is free. Inquisition, intolerance, despots have vanished. I invite scholars to meet and propose what must be done to give science and the arts a new flowering.’ Academics were impressed by the abolition of censorship.

So we see that it was Napoleon who introduced religious toleration, closed ghettos, abolished Inquisition, and introduced free thinking.

[Nishant Xavier]

LOL. Napoleon the Devout Atheist Right? Wrong. He clearly expressed faith in Christ and the Bible and thus that he was a Christian in multiple of his statements. Proven here: https://reasonabletheology.org/napoleon-...-of-jesus/

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General Bertrand said, “I can not conceive, sire, how a great man like you can beleive that the Supreme Being ever exhibited himself to men under a human form, with a body, a face, mouth, and eyes.

“Let Jesus be whatever you please – the highest intelligence, the purest heart, the most profound legislator, and, in all respects, the most singular being who has ever existed – I grant it.

“Still, he was simply a man, who taught his disciples, and deluded credulous people, as did Orpheus, Confucius, Brama.”

To this Napoleon responded by saying:

“I know men, and I tell you Jesus Christ was not a man.

Superficial minds see a resemblance between Christ and the founders of empires and the gods of other religions. That resemblance does not exist.

There is between Christianity and other religions the distance of infinity.

Alexander, Cæsar, Charlemagne and myself founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon sheer force. Jesus Christ alone founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men will die for Him. In every other existence but that of Christ how many imperfections!

From the first day to the last He is the same; majestic and simple; infinitely firm and infinitely gentle. He proposes to our faith a series of mysteries and commands with authority that we should believe them, giving no other reason than those tremendous words, ‘I am God.’”

Refering to other so-called gods that have been worshipped by man, Napoleon said:

“Nothing announces them divine. On the contrary, there are numerous resemblances between them and myself, foibles and errors which ally them to me and to humanity.

It is not so with Christ. Everything in Him astonishes me. His spirit overawes me, and his will confounds me. Between Him and whoever else in the world, there is no possible term of comparison.

He is truly a being by Himself. His ideas and His sentiments, the truths which He announces, His manner of convincing, are not explained either by human organization of by the nature of things.

The Bible contains a complete series of acts and of historical men to explain time and eternity, such as no other religion has to offer.

If it is not the true religion, one is very excusable in being deceived; for everything in it is grand and worthy of God.

I search in vain in history to find the similar to Jesus Christ, or anything which can approach the Gospel. Neither history, nor humanity, nor the ages, nor nature can offer me anything with which I am able to compare it or explain it. Here everything is extraordinary.

The more I consider the Gospel, the more I am assured that there is nothing there which is not beyond the march of events and above the human mind. Even the impious themselves have never dared to deny the sublimity of the Gospel, which inspires them with a sort of compulsory veneration.

What happiness that Book procures for those who believe it!”

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[The Architect Of Fate]

Yes because Napolean never said anything contradictory to other statements he made and he never said something to simply gain political approval 

Napolean was a pragmatist above all else if saying he was a Christian helped his ambitions he would say he was a Christian.

Like most things regarding Napolean, you can find a quote to support any position you want on him.

[Nay_Sayer]

Or maybe he is using chatgbt for stupid arguments to piss atheists off?

He's doing the forum equivelant of gish gallop

[The Grand Nudger]

A forum being the very worst place to try one. Doesn't work when there are enough people with a broad base of knowledge to address claims as fast as or even faster than they can be made.

Guys in the wrong place, using the wrong method. He'll never snatch enough souls to rescue his murderous god in his own eyes at this rate.