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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 6:00 pm
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I have a question too.
How do I get my saltiness back, and what kind of salt am I ? Am I really salt ?
Matthew 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Yeah I know, I'm plenty salty.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 6:46 pm
Whoa! I'm the saltiest, 20 years in the USN.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 4:05 am
Please.kill.me 
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 5:37 am
(August 3, 2023 at 4:05 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Please.kill.me
If we do, you'll just 'produce many seeds'.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 9:58 am
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(August 2, 2023 at 4:40 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (August 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s the description of an appearance. Seeds do not appear to be alive. As Nudger implies, this sort of thing is common in mythology - life/death/rebirth.
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I don't think the authors of the New Testament were implying that seeds weren't alive, I think that they said that seeds were first alive and then dead and only then turning into a plant, after they died.
I don’t think the authors of the New Testament has in mind any consistent definition of what it means to be alive that could be applied to measure all things, nor would they think such consistent definition useful. They were in the business of persuading, not discovering or understanding.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 10:07 am
Nerd alert.
So before the scientific revolution, and the rise of the "scientific age" in the Enlightenment,
the way ancient cultures "told their truth" was by mythology, analogy, metaphor etc.
The term "mythology" did not carry the negative connotation it does today.
There was a "radical" German scholar, named Rudolph Bultmann,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Bul...al%20Jesus
who wrote a number of brilliant books, including "Jesus Christ and Mythology" trying to integrate his concepts of mythology and Christianity.
Virtually every NT studies program in the world, including all the mainline programs in the Ivy League in the US has his books on the required reading lists.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 10:11 am
Some seeds do go into a dormant state until conditions are right for sprouting and growing into a plant. Maybe this dormant state was seen as being 'dead' before it was known that dormant is a thing.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 3, 2023 at 10:38 am
(August 2, 2023 at 3:47 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (August 2, 2023 at 3:24 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's an intuitive description of the life cycle of wheat.....and it's super useful in narrativizing the sacred nature (and Sacred Nature) of a dying god.
What is the difference between "sacred nature" and "Sacred Nature"?
the difference between a ball and The Ball.
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