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2024 US Presidential Election
RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:14 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: ...over 1.6 million immigrants encountered coming into the country; both by invitation of Harris, Pelosi and other high ranking DNC party members ....
Please provide evidence
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
Trump cares about your Constitution in precisely the same manner in which the wrecking ball cares about the structural integrity of the building: an obstacle to be removed.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: To address both an earlier question and this - I don't care that rich people are involved in politics, I care when rich people's politics run contradictory to the American constitution and her national interests.

Some DNC and RNC behavior - at least that of Pelosi and McConnells' branches - falls into that later camp, and I believe Trump exists outside that sphere of influence.

I think your estimation of Trump is astonishingly naive. He's as corrupt as anyone who's held the office, and his cozying up to Putin and other autocrats is certainly against our national interest, given their jimmying with our electoral process, amongst other things. A strong Europe is in our national interest as well, yet he has consistently worked to undermine European security.

Not to mention his apparent loathing for legal due process, which is a Constitutional matter.

(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:
Quote:Did they look like this?

I'm not sure about under Obama, but during Biden's admin - yeah, they still have looked like that.

That is a symptom of a surge of immigrants straining an underfunded and understaffed system that is actively being hamstringed by the DNC. It's creating a problem and then crying that you must be elected to fix it.

Do you have pictures of these camps in the Biden era?

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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:38 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: To address both an earlier question and this - I don't care that rich people are involved in politics, I care when rich people's politics run contradictory to the American constitution and her national interests.

Some DNC and RNC behavior - at least that of Pelosi and McConnells' branches - falls into that later camp, and I believe Trump exists outside that sphere of influence.

I think your estimation of Trump is astonishingly naive.

(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I'm not sure about under Obama, but during Biden's admin - yeah, they still have looked like that.

That is a symptom of a surge of immigrants straining an underfunded and understaffed system that is actively being hamstringed by the DNC. It's creating a problem and then crying that you must be elected to fix it.

Do you have pictures of these camps in the Biden era?
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Here is one, sorry about the size and yeah it's as I would suspect, bad like all the other periods. This guy is of course desperate to pretend Trump was any better because he threw more money at the problem and created a bunch of failed policies and just happened to be president when the numbers fell and of course spike is all evil Democrat's fault .... Because 
"Change was inevitable"


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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:38 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: To address both an earlier question and this - I don't care that rich people are involved in politics, I care when rich people's politics run contradictory to the American constitution and her national interests.

Some DNC and RNC behavior - at least that of Pelosi and McConnells' branches - falls into that later camp, and I believe Trump exists outside that sphere of influence.

I think your estimation of Trump is astonishingly naive. He's as corrupt as anyone who's held he office, and his cozying up to Putin and other autocrats is certainly against our national interest, given their jimmying with our electoral process, amongst other things. A strong Europe is in our national interest as well, yet he has consistently worked to undermine European security.

(November 11, 2024 at 5:18 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I'm not sure about under Obama, but during Biden's admin - yeah, they still have looked like that.

That is a symptom of a surge of immigrants straining an underfunded and understaffed system that is actively being hamstringed by the DNC. It's creating a problem and then crying that you must be elected to fix it.

Do you have pictures of these camps in the Biden era?

(Bold mine)

Predicted answer: 'No'.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:45 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:
(November 12, 2024 at 3:38 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I think your estimation of Trump is astonishingly naive.


Do you have pictures of these camps in the Biden era?



[Image: _117670452_hi066371363.jpg.webp]

Here is one, sorry about the size and yeah it's as I would suspect, bad like all the other periods. This guy is of course desperate to pretend Trump was any better because he threw more money at the problem and created a bunch of failed policies and just happened to be president when the numbers fell and of course spike is all evil Democrat's fault .... Because 


I was hoping for snaps he shot himself.

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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 12, 2024 at 3:45 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Do you have pictures of these camps in the Biden era?

[Image: _117670452_hi066371363.jpg.webp]

Here is one, sorry about the size and yeah it's as I would suspect, bad like all the other periods. This guy is of course desperate to pretend Trump was any better because he threw more money at the problem and created a bunch of failed policies and just happened to be president when the numbers fell and of course spike is all evil Democrat's fault .... Because 


I was hoping for snaps he shot himself.
Oh my bad
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 3:30 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(November 12, 2024 at 3:14 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: ...over 1.6 million immigrants encountered coming into the country; both by invitation of Harris, Pelosi and other high ranking DNC party members ....
Please provide evidence
Get ready for stretches
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(November 12, 2024 at 12:32 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(November 11, 2024 at 8:45 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: The camps were shitty under Obama 

The camps were shitty under Trump 

The camps were  shitty under Biden 

It doesn't matter what president or what party was in charge. The camps were shitty. They were always meant to be shitty it has fuck all to do with funding or overcrowding

The only real difference under Trump is that he didn’t even try to act like he gave a shit about the poor conditions.

I'd say he revelled in the notion it was helpful to be as indifferent as possible, even going further and spreading duplicitous claims to demonise immigrants in a sweeping generic way. Understanding that immigration is a problem developed nations must manage, if a world away from the bigoted rhetoric he espouses.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
Immigrants are not so bad.

Quote:Trump's pledge to deport millions of immigrants would devastate Texas economy

Immigrants – authorized and unauthorized, highly educated and low-skilled – are critical to our workforce. In February 2024, the nonprofit Every Texan reported that for every 1,000 workers, Texas immigrants and asylum seekers add $2.6 million to state and local taxes in their first year of eligibility. Once they get work permits, new immigrants in Texas earn an average of $20,000 in their first year, rising to $29,000 by their fifth year.

Undocumented workers also bring a net cost benefit, researcher Jose Ivan Rodriguez-Sanchez found in a 2020 report for the Baker Institute for Public Policy.

These immigrants are deeply enmeshed in Texas culture. Nationally, an estimated 62 percent of unauthorized immigrants have lived in this country for at least 10 years. In 2018, 1.4 million U.S. citizens in Texas were living with at least one relative who was undocumented.

Mass removal of workers would devastate Texas businesses, especially restaurants and building companies.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/...904752007/

And this is how bad politicians do their business. By bad politicians, I mean those who give tax breaks to rich people, which then tank the economy, so what these bad politicians do then is put all the blame on the immigrants.

From what I understand, the UK had the same politics for decades, where they gave tax breaks to rich people and ended up not having any money to pay doctors or school teachers. So what they did is put the blame on immigrants, that they are making the country poor by stealing jobs, and that's why they pulled that Brexit thing with the promise it would fix things, but it didn't and it made it worse.

And the reason why they always go for the immigrants is because they are the most vulnerable group in any society, considering that they don't have anyone who represents them anywhere in the government, so anyone can just pick on them. Just like people used to pick on Jews or gays because they were feeble groups without any representations.
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