A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Then he bears all responsibility for evil by that preference. But the idea that evil and free will must exist at the same time is absurd

I agree with both statements. Babies are a good example of something wholly good (that is not evil at all) that has free will.

Haven't changed a lot of diapers, have you.

[The Grand Nudger]

God much rather have spiritual beings with free will with evil, than beings with no free will and no evil.

Then he bears all responsibility for evil by that preference. But the idea that evil and free will must exist at the same time is absurd

-and more than a little bit disturbing if absurdly true.  We don't let sex crimers sex crime just because they freely will it.  Hey...maybe they do..but even so.  God is there on the tip of every offenders peener - sees the whole sorry thing.  Could do something, but doesn't...because it doesn't want to prove itself too much.  

This, according to a christian. To me, it seems like the proposed solution is even worse than the issue it's being propped up as an excuse for.

[Bucky Ball]

Whatever you say dear, whatever you say. 
You hive such a wonderfully successful history of relationships.
The context is there, for all to see.
You still think you get to tell me what I think, just as you always have, a patronizing asshole.  
Fuck off. 
*As if* you're of any use.
Bye bye.

Later, tater.



PS: You've got a bit of spittle on the left corner of your mouth.

Is that an image of your great great grandson ?
Your history of telling me how I think and MIS-interpreting what I said is here for all to see.

[ShinyCrystals]

Maybe not on topic, but there was this now banned user who posted here, a post I received a notification about. Their name was JESUSLOVESYOUSUBMITTOHIM101, and that post was deleted, it seems. What did they say?

[The Grand Nudger]

A timeshare in heaven or green left handed widgets from russia, most like. The staff log thread contains info on bannings.

[arewethereyet]

Maybe not on topic, but there was this now banned user who posted here, a post I received a notification about. Their name was JESUSLOVESYOUSUBMITTOHIM101, and that post was deleted, it seems. What did they say?

They were purged from the forum for being a spammer.  The process of purging deletes posts where the banning of a member does not.  You will just see a line through their name and "banned" under their name.

[ShinyCrystals]

I see. Anyway, I have another question:

If free will does not exist, and there is evidence that it does not, do you all think that people are living lives under the belief that they do not understand that they are not really exercising free will? In other words, do you think people are living a lie in terms of thinking free will exists?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I see. Anyway, I have another question:

If free will does not exist, and there is evidence that it does not, do you all think that people are living lives under the belief that they do not understand that they are not really exercising free will? In other words, do you think people are living a lie in terms of thinking free will exists?

Of course, people are wrong all the time about lots of things -- and live life, and make decisions on the basis of wrong information all the time.

I'd be interested in seeing this evidence in detail.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I see. Anyway, I have another question:

If free will does not exist, and there is evidence that it does not, do you all think that people are living lives under the belief that they do not understand that they are not really exercising free will? In other words, do you think people are living a lie in terms of thinking free will exists?

Or that "free will" is irrelevant to most people.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don’t think it would be living a lie so much as being earnestly wrong about a thing. We do that a lot.