[split] Are Questions About God Important?

[Ahriman]

Nice burn !!!  haha ;-)

If what's been said so far seems like vitriol from you...fasten your seatbelt and make sure your helmet is on tight.

You have been treated like the gentle snowflake you are, up till now.

Buckle in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Can you melt a snowflake's heart?

[Ravenshire]

Nice burn !!!  haha ;-)

If what's been said so far seems like vitriol from you...fasten your seatbelt and make sure your helmet is on tight.

You have been treated like the gentle snowflake you are, up till now.

Buckle in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

They're just trolling at this point.

[Mister Agenda]

Oookay, and which of the at least five basic ideas about importance (or moral importance) so far discussed in thread, all open to believers and non believers alike.. are in the childish set, so we can discard them?

The one that says that we should x because love?  The one that says we should x because someone said so?  The one that says we should x because lots of people say so, the one that says we should x because of facts about x - or the one that says the whole thing is an error of some kind or another?

(personally, I'd discard the first three, not because there's nothing there, just because it's never what I'm trying to talk about when I use the terms).

Let’s assume when we say god - we mean a perfect being.

It’s not a great argument to redraw god as a devil type being and attack that.  

I’ll assume - if you’re describing something that sounds more like a devil, you’re really talking about a devil and calling it god

Is that perfect being necessarily the creator of the universe? Creating a universe where life is doomed to death and suffering sounds more like the work of a devil. Or maybe the accidental product of something imperfect.

[Mister Agenda]

You’re talking about religion here

Religioius claims about God. Christian claims about God.

[Mister Agenda]

Is it?   Is a thing true because it shines out of gods wherever, or do things shine out of gods wherever because they are true?

You can appreciate how you're about to crash into exactly the same problem again, right?  That, by this rule..your rule..now, some thing you think is absolutely false and vile must be  worthwhile, perfect, and also true, provided it flows out of a gods wherever.

If false is truth is it truth

That’s the question.

It means an ununified god

Is whatever proceeds from God perfect and good, or not? If it's not all perfect and good, then God can't be perfect and good, can he? If perfection and goodness are the chief attributes of your version of God, you may want to cut back on omniscience or omnipotence; otherwise you have a creator god in contradiction with observed reality.

[Mister Agenda]

I can see you're truly introspective. 

well - the thread isn't accomplishing anything anymore - and the vitriol isnt helping anyone - including the people spitting it.

Vitriol is bitterly harsh and caustic invective...you may want to adjust your settings.

[Confused-by-christianity]

If false is truth is it truth

That’s the question.

It means an ununified god

Is whatever proceeds from God perfect and good, or not? If it's not all perfect and good, then God can't be perfect and good, can he? If perfection and goodness are the chief attributes of your version of God, you may want to cut back on omniscience or omnipotence; otherwise you have a creator god in contradiction with observed reality.

The Euthyphro dilemma

[Mister Agenda]

Nudger, do you think God is a liar? Would God lie?

Very early in Genesis, God told Adam that he would die the day he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, in the story Adam lives to be hundreds of years old. The god who told Adam he would die if he ate the fruit lied. The serpent, on the other hand, seems to have been entirely truthful.

[Paraselene]

The concept of god is predicated upon human fallibility. Therefore, since humans lie so does god.

[The Grand Nudger]

We often use stories about gods and lies to express what we can and can't or should and shouldn't lie about - itself a comment on meaning as we see it. Theists have this relationship backwards. Gods don't tell us anything about meaning. We tell them everything they can ever know about it. We even tell them what they can and cant be. What would be "god stuff" and "devil stuff".