IF There Was God...

[Ahriman]

A God that condemns people, what a great guy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

‘Horseshit.’ - Paul’s Epistle to the Aquilonians, 8:3. 

Also, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

Boru

Ah! Another Paulinite! And you are a cherry picker too, taking verses out of context!

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (CJB)
9  When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
10  He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.
11  This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie.
12  The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.

The ones in question refused the love of the truth, and thus are more than willing to believe lies they already chose above the truth they were offered. YHWH does not have to forever woo and persuade when someone is adamant about their refusal of him. At that point, they simply become useful idiots.

But God deliberately deluded them into believing a heretical falsehood for the express purpose of denying them redemption. This rather puts the the lie to your claim that God doesn’t muck about with free will.

Also, you might want to have a butcher’s at Exodus 20.

Boru

[Ahriman]

Ah! Another Paulinite! And you are a cherry picker too, taking verses out of context!

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (CJB)
9  When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
10  He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.
11  This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie.
12  The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.

The ones in question refused the love of the truth, and thus are more than willing to believe lies they already chose above the truth they were offered. YHWH does not have to forever woo and persuade when someone is adamant about their refusal of him. At that point, they simply become useful idiots.

But God deliberately deluded them into believing a heretical falsehood for the express purpose of denying them redemption. This rather puts the the lie to your claim that God doesn’t muck about with free will.

Also, you might want to have a butcher’s at Exodus 20.

Boru

I'm hoping that God doing this shit will ultimately be for the benefit of the deluded person, like being denied redemption would be better for them somehow. Otherwise God is a complete douchebag.

[Silver]

The imagination can certainly be beneficial to the individual. The problem is when the invidual deludes himself into believing that everyone else must believe as he does.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But God deliberately deluded them into believing a heretical falsehood for the express purpose of denying them redemption. This rather puts the the lie to your claim that God doesn’t muck about with free will.

Also, you might want to have a butcher’s at Exodus 20.

Boru

I'm hoping that God doing this shit will ultimately be for the benefit of the deluded person, like being denied redemption would be better for them somehow. Otherwise God is a complete douchebag.

Being denied redemption is exactly the same as damnation. Put another way, God deludes people for the express purpose of sending them to Hell.

So…yeah. Douchebaggery writ large.

Boru

[h4ym4n]

A God that condemns people, what a great guy.

You think god is a guy?

[Ahriman]

A God that condemns people, what a great guy.

You think god is a guy?

I refuse to believe a woman could ever be that shitty.

[Questor]

Ah! Another Paulinite! And you are a cherry picker too, taking verses out of context!

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (CJB)
9  When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
10  He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.
11  This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie.
12  The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.

The ones in question refused the love of the truth, and thus are more than willing to believe lies they already chose above the truth they were offered. YHWH does not have to forever woo and persuade when someone is adamant about their refusal of him. At that point, they simply become useful idiots.

But God deliberately deluded them into believing a heretical falsehood for the express purpose of denying them redemption. This rather puts the the lie to your claim that God doesn’t muck about with free will.

Also, you might want to have a butcher’s at Exodus 20.

Boru

The quote is from a prophecy as yet unfulfilled, as to what YHWH will do in the last few years of the latter days, just prior to the Millennial reign, not what he has done, to those that refuse the truth he offers, and has offered long and patiently, desiring only a meeting of minds and hearts.
 
The Most High is not leading those who choose lies over truth into anything but allows them their own choice. He but gives into their decision. And as the decision is what keeps them from the salvation that would prevent this end, he chooses to simply amplifies their choice, and make use of it to his own ends. And yet, had they but accepted the truth, and lived by it to the best of their ability, all of this would have bypassed them.

Freewill is given, but it does provoke consequences, just as you cannot throw a stone into a pond, and not have a lot of inconvenient ripples.

As for Exodus 20, there is a lot of instruction there on how to live. Which did you wish to discuss?

[Silver]

Make-believe is fun.

[The Grand Nudger]

Jesus christ, fine.

Do you think that altering the language of christian belief to make it sound "more jewish" makes it sound "more authentic" ? When you defend yourself against accusations that you are christian™ do you do so because to be christian™ would be disgusting to you? What do you see as the main difference between yourself and christian™ people?