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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 2, 2024 at 5:31 pm
(May 2, 2024 at 11:14 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: There’s some truth in what Bel is saying (apparently, the events of October 7 were reprisals for Palestinians being forced out of Sheikh Jarrah, among other things). On the other hand, well, do I really have to explain why the shit that happened on October 7 is morally indefensible? Especially with the attack on the Supernova Sukkot Festival, where Hamas decided that they weren’t going to differentiate between enemy combatants and people who just wanted to dance like pricks to trance music?
Thanks for this.
Yes, it's possible for an act to be a response to a previous act, and also morally indefensible. This is how things escalate and then never end.
"An eye for an eye" was actually meant to limit such spirals -- when they put out your eye you can get equal revenge but then you have to stop. But we've been past that point for a long time now.
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 2, 2024 at 8:20 pm
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 2, 2024 at 9:25 pm
Israel can arm itself and prosecute a war even under US embargo.
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 2, 2024 at 11:22 pm
(May 2, 2024 at 8:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote: We agree that America gives lots and lots of support to Israel, and ought to stop.
It shouldn't stop because Israel would not have the rocket shield and thus Hamas would wipe them out.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 3, 2024 at 9:10 am
(May 2, 2024 at 8:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Earlier I said that Biden has the ability to stop the genocide in Gaza, if anyone does. You disagreed, and said that he doesn't; only Netanyahu does.
We agree that America gives lots and lots of support to Israel, and ought to stop.
I believe that without America's support -- financial, military, and diplomatic -- Netanyahu could not continue what he's doing. That if Biden were to shut it all off, Netanyahu would have to stop murdering people. Israel would have to radically change its policies towards its neighbors and accept a two-state solution. Therefore Biden, in theory, has the ability to stop genocide.
Now whether Biden could actually take such a step is another question. Politically, it would be suicide for him. But I think that if I were 81 years old, and had the ability to stop a genocide by taking morally good steps that would end my career, I would consider it.
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 3, 2024 at 11:40 am
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I'm just waiting to see how this goes now that arrests are being made and finding out that it's a high percentage that are not students. Have to wait and see the level of commitment.
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 3, 2024 at 1:35 pm
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 3, 2024 at 1:55 pm
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RE: University Protests against the Israeli Incursion into Palestine
May 3, 2024 at 1:57 pm
Conflict also tends to be a male trait, one I have always struggled with keeping under control.
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