I believe the Bible is God's Word

[Jackalope]

Help. Will someone please help?

Sure. Deesse23 probably means that a universe without stars and galaxies is still a universe. Since you're so knowledgeable about cosmoslogy and can apparently follow the math, how much faster would the initial expansion have to be for stars and galaxies not to form? A citation is fine, I never got past freshman calculus.

An implication of that is that we wouldn't be able to observe the universe if the Hubble constant weren't approximately what it is. Though, as you say, a universe without stars (or even one without baryonic matter) is still a universe, whether we are here to observe it or not.

Though I fail to see what any of this has to do with gods or their words.

[brewer]

Help. Will someone please help?

Sure. Deesse23 probably means that a universe without stars and galaxies is still a universe. Since you're so knowledgeable about cosmoslogy and can apparently follow the math, how much faster would the initial expansion have to be for stars and galaxies not to form? A citation is fine, I never got past freshman calculus.

Are you sure snowy wasn't pleading to his god?

[Ferrocyanide]

If you can show the rate of expansion could have had a different value, there's a Nobel waiting for you. And if the rate of expansion had been slightly faster, we still get a universe.

If faster, galaxies & stars wouldn't have formed.

You can have a garbage bin.
You can try to throw a ball of paper into the bin.
If the ball of paper is too slow, it will land outside the bin.
If it is too fast, it lands outside the bin.
If the speed is just right, it lands inside the bin.

Unfortunately, this concept doesn't tell us who threw the ball, if it was a human, an alien, a god, an alien-god, smurfs, some ball throwing machine, or just nature.

There is no evidence of any magical man doing anything.

There was a moment in time when it was thought that thunder, lightning was cause by the gods.
There was a moment when it was thought that disease was done by the gods.
There was a moment when it was thought that the gods control pregnancy. “They bless you with a child”.
It was thought that when the gods bless you get get better crops.
If you do sacrifices, if you offer some animal, your first born kid or some virgin (the gods have sex with virgins?), the gods accept your gift and as a thank you note, they do you a favor.

Such things have been replaced by science. Once science gives an explanation, we never return to the god of the gaps argument

[Fake Messiah]

If you have some historical evidence showing that goat herders were responsible, that would be interesting to see.

Have you ever read the Bible? It’s saturated with this primitive herdsman mentality: God the father, the sheep and goats, the lost lambs and the Lamb of God, flocks and herds. The father-child relationship, the patriarchy. We have a wise leader who guides us all, punishes us when we stray, offers largesse to those in his favor, and unites the whole tribe in common cause. This is how Bronze Age sheepherders lived, and for them patriarchy made sense. It was a strategy for survival that worked well.

Or ask any Christian on any Sunday morning about flocks and sheep and shepherds, and he or she will understand the metaphor, despite never having been in contact with animals other than a household pet.

It's even more ridiculous when the sheepherder mentality goes beyond the family and tribe and has been extended to the entire universe. A great Patriarch in the Sky is our leader and guide, responsible for making the grand strategic decisions about where our tribe will go, and watchfully making sure that the tribe’s unity is not disrupted by ideas from nonconformists.

And he knows each one of us personally, just as the leader of tribe or clan in pastoral days would have, and he can give us an approving stroke or a damning, angry smiting, depending on whether we help or hinder the work of getting the flocks to the summer pasturage.