Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 8, 2024 at 8:59 pm (This post was last modified: September 8, 2024 at 9:04 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(September 8, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote:
The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
“The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.”
Since this post is somewhat critical of this forums conformity with its own PRIME directive, I expect you administrators will not allow it to post. But, if your members are intelligent adults, and not the witless dolts they sometimes respond like, they should be mature enough to read this!
I made it very clear, I came into your particular midst, so I could get an opinion from others holding a different view than my own. With me being a believer I admit, I’m unable to see how my own cognitive bias could be misleading my conclusions. My intent was not to argue any points of my premise, not to convert, but for you practiced individuals to point out its faults I might not see.
My response is a little strong, because there can be no defense that makes sense, when ‘all’ of your critiques where about a premise of which you have never even seen or heard. Obviously this is yet to be learned; You should never open your mouth in argument, unless you can argue both sides of the argument equally well! Anything less make you a ultracrepidarian.
Bearing in mind what your own ‘prime directive’ says; ‘but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion”, it seems you are already well aware of the toxicity in your membership. I can only conclude from the hostile responses, that ‘theists’, are not in fact included in “friendly discussion and debate” as stated in your directive.
I liken my experience to stepping into a room full of monkey IQ’s, who mistakenly think having the ability to type words with proper punctuation makes them intelligent.
You swarm intellectual threats, as though your little doses of ignorant denials of belief, make sound counter arguments. Just because you give each other high-fives for the sites tens-of-thousands of inane responses, doesn’t increase their value. They are mere valueless retorts, that seem to somehow satisfy your need for social recognition.
I haven't yet had one word for you, but I'd just say climb down off your cross and understand that most people here disagree with you about your faith. Get over it. Some folk here are tolerant, others aren't. You, a Christian, complaining about rude treatment in a forum? Talk to Daniel in the lion's den. Lord love a dove, your intended martyrdom reeks.
I don't give a shit about the "nature of this community". I just work to be respectful unless and until someone shows themselves to be a cunt. You might want to try this approach, instead of lumping me and others who also haven't paid you any mind as "monkeys". 'Cause I'll tell you right now -- this being my first impression of you, I'm thoroughly underwhelmed.
(September 8, 2024 at 5:59 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: Meaning, I thought maybe non-believers would show me points where I was off in my logic. But thanks anyway.
Why should any non-believer care what you believe? Who are you that I should stop in my tracks and either 1) take offense that you disagree or 2) take your education on as my task? I don't care what you think so long as you're not an asshole. Treat me like a human and not a target for proselytization. Work on that, we'll get along just fine.
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm
(September 8, 2024 at 8:59 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(September 8, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote:
The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
“The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.”
Since this post is somewhat critical of this forums conformity with its own PRIME directive, I expect you administrators will not allow it to post. But, if your members are intelligent adults, and not the witless dolts they sometimes respond like, they should be mature enough to read this!
I made it very clear, I came into your particular midst, so I could get an opinion from others holding a different view than my own. With me being a believer I admit, I’m unable to see how my own cognitive bias could be misleading my conclusions. My intent was not to argue any points of my premise, not to convert, but for you practiced individuals to point out its faults I might not see.
My response is a little strong, because there can be no defense that makes sense, when ‘all’ of your critiques where about a premise of which you have never even seen or heard. Obviously this is yet to be learned; You should never open your mouth in argument, unless you can argue both sides of the argument equally well! Anything less make you a ultracrepidarian.
Bearing in mind what your own ‘prime directive’ says; ‘but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion”, it seems you are already well aware of the toxicity in your membership. I can only conclude from the hostile responses, that ‘theists’, are not in fact included in “friendly discussion and debate” as stated in your directive.
I liken my experience to stepping into a room full of monkey IQ’s, who mistakenly think having the ability to type words with proper punctuation makes them intelligent.
You swarm intellectual threats, as though your little doses of ignorant denials of belief, make sound counter arguments. Just because you give each other high-fives for the sites tens-of-thousands of inane responses, doesn’t increase their value. They are mere valueless retorts, that seem to somehow satisfy your need for social recognition.
I haven't yet had one word for you, but I'd just say climb down off your cross and understand that most people here disagree with you about your faith. Get over it. Some folk here are tolerant, others aren't. You, a Christian, complaining about rude treatment in a forum? Talk to Daniel in the lion's den. Lord love a dove, your intended martyrdom reeks.
I don't give a shit about the "nature of this community". I just work to be respectful unless and until someone shows themselves to be a cunt. You might want to try this approach, instead of lumping me and others who also haven't paid you any mind as "monkeys". 'Cause I'll tell you right now -- this being my first impression of you, I'm thoroughly underwhelmed.
(September 8, 2024 at 5:59 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: Meaning, I thought maybe non-believers would show me points where I was off in my logic. But thanks anyway.
Why should any non-believer care what you believe? Who are you that I should stop in my tracks and either 1) take offense that you disagree or 2) take your education on as my task? I don't care what you think so long as you're not an asshole. Treat me like a human and not a target for proselytization. Work on that, we'll get along just fine.
Now there is a response I can respect! To the point, but good enough to respect. I'm am going to take it as the sites view of me. I know now, as I already suspected from previous incursions into the atheist's world, there is no hope of any communication between us. I will remove myself from this forum lest I be thought of as a troll; and just say Adieu
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 8, 2024 at 9:23 pm
(September 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: Now there is a response I can respect! To the point, but good enough to respect. I'm am going to take it as the sites view of me. I know now, as I already suspected from previous incursions into the atheist's world, there is no hope of any communication between us. I will remove myself from this forum lest I be thought of as a troll; and just say Adieu
You apparently missed the sign over the door which reads, "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here."
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 8, 2024 at 9:55 pm
(September 8, 2024 at 7:37 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote:
(September 8, 2024 at 7:00 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I'm not sure how you could test my evidence. My 'evidence' is when the Pastafarian Tome reflects its words, not as interpreted, but precise, that fit in exact representation of what my premise says about FSM using science for creation. I'm not talking about generalities arrived at by 'interpretation', and since the Pastafarian tome is considered hogwash, we can have no common ground for evaluation or discussion.
That's exactly the reply that I refer to, when I say, you can't ever discuss anything! You are completely unable to reach any 'common ground' with a Christian, not because the Bible is considered hogwash, but because you are so dead set on your 'rightness' that anything that suggests you could be wrong, is summerly cast into the trash. Oh well, I still wish I could be with you on your last breath --- just to see if you'll still maintain your surety of disbelief through the last exhale; not being morbid, just interesting!
That's quite grim amigo. What are you prattling about thou?
I'm a devout believer. I'm trying to help you get right with the lord FSM.
Thoughts and prayers
RAmen
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 9, 2024 at 12:07 am
(September 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: I'm am going to take it as the sites view of me.
I don't speak for anyone but myself. Do not attribute my opinion to anyone else here.
(September 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: I know now, as I already suspected from previous incursions into the atheist's world, there is no hope of any communication between us.
I'd have to say we have a misunderstanding here, then. In my view, you're welcome here so long as you're not a dickweed. I can certainly communicate with folks I don't agree with. I'm not sure why that is a problem so long as we neither disrespect the other. What about that gives you despair?
(September 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote: I will remove myself from this forum lest I be thought of as a troll; and just say Adieu
No, stand up and speak your mind, just don't be a jerk. If others get all angry at you, is that a you problem or a them problem? You're welcome in my view so long as you stop the broad-brushing and shit like calling me a goddamned monkey.
If you can't even manage that much, your departure is no big loss.
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 9, 2024 at 5:21 am
(September 8, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote:
The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
“The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.”
Since this post is somewhat critical of this forums conformity with its own PRIME directive, I expect you administrators will not allow it to post. But, if your members are intelligent adults, and not the witless dolts they sometimes respond like, they should be mature enough to read this!
I made it very clear, I came into your particular midst, so I could get an opinion from others holding a different view than my own. With me being a believer I admit, I’m unable to see how my own cognitive bias could be misleading my conclusions. My intent was not to argue any points of my premise, not to convert, but for you practiced individuals to point out its faults I might not see.
My response is a little strong, because there can be no defense that makes sense, when ‘all’ of your critiques where about a premise of which you have never even seen or heard. Obviously this is yet to be learned; You should never open your mouth in argument, unless you can argue both sides of the argument equally well! Anything less make you a ultracrepidarian.
Bearing in mind what your own ‘prime directive’ says; ‘but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion”, it seems you are already well aware of the toxicity in your membership. I can only conclude from the hostile responses, that ‘theists’, are not in fact included in “friendly discussion and debate” as stated in your directive.
I liken my experience to stepping into a room full of monkey IQ’s, who mistakenly think having the ability to type words with proper punctuation makes them intelligent.
You swarm intellectual threats, as though your little doses of ignorant denials of belief, make sound counter arguments. Just because you give each other high-fives for the sites tens-of-thousands of inane responses, doesn’t increase their value. They are mere valueless retorts, that seem to somehow satisfy your need for social recognition.
Bold mine, 'nuff said.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
RE: The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
September 9, 2024 at 6:50 am (This post was last modified: September 9, 2024 at 7:02 am by Sheldon.)
(September 8, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mortalsfool Wrote:
The Purpose of Atheist Forums and its Prime Directive
“The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.”
Since this post is somewhat critical of this forums conformity with its own PRIME directive, I expect you administrators will not allow it to post. But, if your members are intelligent adults, and not the witless dolts they sometimes respond like, they should be mature enough to read this!
I made it very clear, I came into your particular midst, so I could get an opinion from others holding a different view than my own. With me being a believer I admit, I’m unable to see how my own cognitive bias could be misleading my conclusions. My intent was not to argue any points of my premise, not to convert, but for you practiced individuals to point out its faults I might not see.
My response is a little strong, because there can be no defense that makes sense, when ‘all’ of your critiques where about a premise of which you have never even seen or heard. Obviously this is yet to be learned; You should never open your mouth in argument, unless you can argue both sides of the argument equally well! Anything less make you a ultracrepidarian.
Bearing in mind what your own ‘prime directive’ says; ‘but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion”, it seems you are already well aware of the toxicity in your membership. I can only conclude from the hostile responses, that ‘theists’, are not in fact included in “friendly discussion and debate” as stated in your directive.
I liken my experience to stepping into a room full of monkey IQ’s, who mistakenly think having the ability to type words with proper punctuation makes them intelligent.
You swarm intellectual threats, as though your little doses of ignorant denials of belief, make sound counter arguments. Just because you give each other high-fives for the sites tens-of-thousands of inane responses, doesn’t increase their value. They are mere valueless retorts, that seem to somehow satisfy your need for social recognition.
I'm a little late to this one, but this leaped out at me:
"there can be no defense that makes sense, when ‘all’ of your critiques where about a premise of which you have never even seen or heard. Obviously this is yet to be learned; You should never open your mouth in argument, unless you can argue both sides of the argument equally well! Anything less make you a ultracrepidarian."
What do you know about unicorn husbandry? By your rationale if someone claims they've bread unicorns, it is epistemologically unsound for me to disbelieve them, I have to say I find that notion ridiculous.
This oft used argument in religious apologetics, erroneously conflates disbelief with a contrary belief. These arguments often fail to understand that atheism, which is just the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, is not at all incompatible with agnosticism, which is the belief that nothing is known, or can be known, about the nature or existence of god.
It is perfectly rational to disbelieve two contradictory claims, if the dearth of evidence justifies it, as one would be obliged to do with all unfalsifiable claims for example, whilst also remaining agnostic about them.
Unless you have experienced all religious experiences for all religions and deities, your belief, by your own rationale, must involve bias on your part, it cannot be otherwise.
It is also clear that a person may set any standard for credulity they wish, so sulking like this on an atheist forum, because others set a different standard for credulity seems absurdly silly.