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In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 5, 2025 at 7:59 pm)Angrboda Wrote: No, that's not what I mean. But you knew that. Blind faith, faith without evidence, proof, justification or whatever has been present in Christianity from the beginning.

If you're not using faith to mean trust, then rephrase your question and I'll answer.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 5, 2025 at 8:13 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 5, 2025 at 7:59 pm)Angrboda Wrote: No, that's not what I mean.  But you knew that.  Blind faith, faith without evidence, proof, justification or whatever has been present in Christianity from the beginning.

If you're not using faith to mean trust, then rephrase your question and I'll answer.

I didn't ask a question.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Again he demands that discussion must happen on his terms, which is really not discussion.

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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 5, 2025 at 11:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Again he demands that discussion must happen on his terms, which is really not discussion.

He also been asked repeatedly to offer any good reasons for his trust / faith, and he has refused. The obvious inference is he suspects they are not objectively good reasons, so he is attempting to project his subjective bias, rather than have it subjected to critical scrutiny. 

Who knows what he hopes to gain from this, but I'd bet my house his refusal will somehow turn out to be the fault of the atheists here, he has started the ball rolling of course, with the asinine assertion that it is pointless to share his "good" reasons, unless we accept a priori and without any evidence that a deity is possible. 

My best bet, is that this will be dishonestly portrayed as bias before the end. ironic really...if unevidenced subjective faith isn't bias, what is? After all you could literally believe anything using religious faith. If @John 6IX Breezy thought that what he is peddling here, was supported by any remotely objective evidence, he'd have had it in a  thread title, and be shouting it from the roof tops, so to speak. This is why religions cloak their snake oil in mystery, to avoid the critically objective analysis that will demonstrate they're holding an empty bag.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 5, 2025 at 6:00 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 5, 2025 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You don’t consider blind trust to be a bad idea?

I think if you attach blind to any word it becomes a bad idea: Blind dinner, blind loyalty, blind date, etc.

I wasn't the one who attached it. You did that.

'Boda said 

Quote:Blind faith has existed within Christianity since the beginning.

You replied
Quote:Okay? As long as you're using faith to mean trust, I'm fine with your assertion.

Which means you're ok the statement, 'Blind trust has existed within Christianity since the beginning.'

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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 1, 2025 at 10:00 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 1, 2025 at 9:47 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Are you a Seventh-day Adventist?

Yes, I think I've mentioned it in other threads
"the Seventh-day Adventist Church generally believes in a young earth, typically estimated to be around 6,000 years old. This belief is rooted in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account and the writings of Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the church. While the Bible doesn't explicitly state the age of the earth, Ellen G. White's interpretations and writings have shaped the church's understanding and belief."

If the universe is only 6000 years old, how is light visible from stars, that are billions of light years from the earth?

Maybe a deity created the light en route, just to confuse us.  Thinking

Good reasons to believe something, would not in my opinion, include denying objective and irrefutable scientific facts, but hey that's just me.
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(Yesterday at 9:51 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(May 1, 2025 at 10:00 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Yes, I think I've mentioned it in other threads
"the Seventh-day Adventist Church generally believes in a young earth, typically estimated to be around 6,000 years old. This belief is rooted in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account and the writings of Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the church. While the Bible doesn't explicitly state the age of the earth, Ellen G. White's interpretations and writings have shaped the church's understanding and belief."

If the universe is only 6000 years old, how is light visible from stars, that are billions of light years from the earth?

Maybe a deity created the light en route, just to confuse us.  Thinking

Good reasons to believe something, would not in my opinion, include denying objective and irrefutable scientific facts, but hey that's just me.

Certainly a worthwhile question, but I'd rather not see this thread become a debate about the beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. But that's just me.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(Yesterday at 10:06 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(Yesterday at 9:51 am)Sheldon Wrote: "the Seventh-day Adventist Church generally believes in a young earth, typically estimated to be around 6,000 years old. This belief is rooted in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account and the writings of Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the church. While the Bible doesn't explicitly state the age of the earth, Ellen G. White's interpretations and writings have shaped the church's understanding and belief."

If the universe is only 6000 years old, how is light visible from stars, that are billions of light years from the earth?

Maybe a deity created the light en route, just to confuse us.  Thinking

Good reasons to believe something, would not in my opinion, include denying objective and irrefutable scientific facts, but hey that's just me.

Certainly a worthwhile question, but I'd rather not see this thread become a debate about the beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.  But that's just me.
Not exclusively no, but they are Christians, so their reasons for being so are apropos I think. It's a problematic question, as the generic term applies globally to over 45k different sects and denominations of course, and even in the US there are hundreds of versions of Christianity.

If the question looks like derailing or side-tracking things, we can move on, though to be honest, I doubt we will even get a cogent answer.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
I see a quote, but no source cited. A bit sketchy in the age of LLMs.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(Yesterday at 11:51 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I see a quote, but no source cited. A bit sketchy in the age of LLMs.
Obviously you of all people are very strict when it comes to verified sources.

The irony is palpable, besides, can't you take the quote on faith?
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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