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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 11:32 am
The one idea about superintelligence Creator - God - Nature that is verified by the first law of thermodynamics I said is a guess - logical, though. The first absolute law of logic that explains the term of intelligence is a law of logic and cannot be questioned, or can you logically question it? Saying what you say is nonsense is not questioning, but an emotional manifestation of logical insufficiency!
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 11:33 am
Assume that intelligence is a consequence of the structure of the intelligence holder rather than inherent properties of substance.
If this is the case, then intelligent processes are the result of unintelligent forces (properties of substance);
If this is the case, the results of intelligent processes are ultimately the result of nonintelligent forces;
Therefore, if anything is the effect of an intelligence, it is a consequence of unintelligent causes;
Therefore, it is false that things that bear the hallmarks of intelligence require a cause that is intelligent.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 11:39 am
(September 21, 2025 at 11:33 am)Angrboda Wrote: Assume that intelligence is a consequence of the structure of the intelligence holder rather than inherent properties of substance.
If this is the case, then intelligent processes are the result of unintelligent forces (properties of substance);
If this is the case, the results of intelligent processes are ultimately the result of nonintelligent forces;
Therefore, if anything is the effect of an intelligence, it is a consequence of unintelligent causes;
Therefore, it is false that things that bear the hallmarks of intelligence require a cause that is intelligent.
A practical example?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:01 pm
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panpan Wrote:The first absolute law of logic that explains the term of intelligence is a law of logic and cannot be questioned, or can you logically question it? Saying what you say is nonsense is not questioning, but an emotional manifestation of logical insufficiency!
I already explained it to you that the other member told you that energy is not the same as intelligence, but you ignored it by inserting another nonsensical claim that we are god's cells.
And then you further ignore what I actually said.
Saying what you say by ignoring what is being said to you is a manifestation of trolling.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:10 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 8:52 am)panpan Wrote: (September 21, 2025 at 5:57 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: If ethics is not subjective then why do different societies have different ethics and why does ethics change over time? For example, in some societies gay marriage is immoral while in others it's moral? Or why was slavery in one society deemed as moral but then seen as immoral if ethics is objective?
Ethics is based on autonomy and non-harm of the autonomy of others. Even though every creature is forced to harm in order to survive, without wanting to harm itself, intelligent beings such as humans can limit this behavior based on morality, minimizing the harm they will cause to others and to the whole.
Your observation is not wrong because ethics is usually determined by the personal interests of individuals and groups.
History is replete with instances of cultures in which ethical systems specifically denied personal autonomy and the autonomy of others. How does this fit in with your presumed basis of ethics?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:12 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 12:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: panpan Wrote:The first absolute law of logic that explains the term of intelligence is a law of logic and cannot be questioned, or can you logically question it? Saying what you say is nonsense is not questioning, but an emotional manifestation of logical insufficiency!
I already explained it to you that the other member told you that energy is not the same as intelligence, but you ignored it by inserting another nonsensical claim that we are god's cells.
And then you further ignore what I actually said.
Saying what you say by ignoring what is being said to you is a manifestation of trolling.
Don't you understand that you are made of energy, but at the same time you are also intelligent?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:15 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 11:39 am)panpan Wrote: (September 21, 2025 at 11:33 am)Angrboda Wrote: Assume that intelligence is a consequence of the structure of the intelligence holder rather than inherent properties of substance.
If this is the case, then intelligent processes are the result of unintelligent forces (properties of substance);
If this is the case, the results of intelligent processes are ultimately the result of nonintelligent forces;
Therefore, if anything is the effect of an intelligence, it is a consequence of unintelligent causes;
Therefore, it is false that things that bear the hallmarks of intelligence require a cause that is intelligent.
A practical example?
Humans are ultimately descended from prokaryotes. Humans are intelligent. Prokaryotes are not.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:15 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 12:12 pm)panpan Wrote: (September 21, 2025 at 12:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I already explained it to you that the other member told you that energy is not the same as intelligence, but you ignored it by inserting another nonsensical claim that we are god's cells.
And then you further ignore what I actually said.
Saying what you say by ignoring what is being said to you is a manifestation of trolling.
Don't you understand that you are made of energy, but at the same time you are also intelligent?
Mutually exclusive.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:16 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 12:12 pm)panpan Wrote: (September 21, 2025 at 12:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I already explained it to you that the other member told you that energy is not the same as intelligence, but you ignored it by inserting another nonsensical claim that we are god's cells.
And then you further ignore what I actually said.
Saying what you say by ignoring what is being said to you is a manifestation of trolling.
Don't you understand that you are made of energy, but at the same time you are also intelligent?
If humans are made of energy, then cheeses are made of energy. Cheese doesn’t routinely display evidence of intelligence.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm
(September 21, 2025 at 12:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 21, 2025 at 12:12 pm)panpan Wrote: Don't you understand that you are made of energy, but at the same time you are also intelligent?
If humans are made of energy, then cheeses are made of energy. Cheese doesn’t routinely display evidence of intelligence.
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To the question does every form of energy have intelligence, the answer is as far as we know no. But life is an exception because according to the first absolute law of logic it manifests intelligence! Life is energy as it consists of atoms and subatomic particles. Also, life is created from the biological molecule DNA.
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