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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:23 am)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 8:52 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Thoroughly incorrect.  Natural selection, the "intelligence" you've attributed to creating intelligent life, certainly did not always exist, and is not made of energy.

Everything is made of energy, matter is a concentrate of energy! Light, every type of radiation, is energy at a different frequency.

And thus everything, both intelligent and non-intelligent, is made of energy of one form or another. From that, it is trivial to deduce that energy alone is insufficient to explain intelligence. The rules of energy alone won't be enough, so arguments from thermodynamics will be insufficient at best, and completely wrong at the worst.
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#32
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 1:36 am)panpan Wrote: The original published text was extensively checked and evaluated by many major language models!

Awesome. You had a digital parrot look over your work. I can't tell you how underwhelmed we all are.
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#33
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:31 am)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:23 am)panpan Wrote: Everything is made of energy, matter is a concentrate of energy! Light, every type of radiation, is energy at a different frequency.

And thus everything, both intelligent and non-intelligent, is made of energy of one form or another. From that, it is trivial to deduce that energy alone is insufficient to explain intelligence. The rules of energy alone won't be enough, so arguments from thermodynamics will be insufficient at best, and completely wrong at the worst.

In a complex system like the universe, the first important thing is to realize that we humans are made of energy. When we realize this, then we can start looking for the complex!
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#34
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:16 am)panpan Wrote: Circular Logic is a logic that appears logical but if you analyze it has logical problems. The First Absolute Law of Logic:
"Intelligence is the ability to perceive information, organize information into knowledge, and, with knowledge, act", which defines the basis of intelligence and its mechanism has mathematical logic. In addition to defining what intelligence is, it gives you the ability to check if something has intelligence and what kind of intelligence. Intelligence is Perception > Knowledge > Action, if one element of these is missing it is not intelligence, but it can manifest intelligence. Example: The simple thermometer seems to perceive temperature and acts by showing the temperature. It has no knowledge of this process, nor does it perceive it itself, but it shows that something intelligent made it and that is how it is. The bacterium, which is a simple form of life and perceives and knows what it does and acts for it and survives, verifies the law.
Therefore, the law as written in the original text defines what intelligence is and does not make a qualitative distinction, but it gives man the opportunity to explore the property of every being or thing if it has intelligence and what kind of basis of this law!

It also validates itself because it proves every moment we speak that we are intelligent beings, because We perceive what someone tells us, we understand by knowing what they tell us, and we act, by answering or writing.

It isn't self-validating if it isn't valid to begin with. Your statement takes the form of "P ---> P". That makes it self-referential. It's entirely possible that what you've produced is "P is a load of bullshit ---> P is a load of bullshit". In that case, the statement is actually self-invalidating. Perhaps you begin to understand why nobody really puts much stock in this sort of tautology.

The contents of your statement are reasonable enough, but pretty basic. It probably doesn't cover a lot of what intelligence is or does. Problem solving? Moral behavior? Self-awareness? Most people would regard these as vital to any description of intelligence, but they're absent from your "Absolute Law".

And no, thermometers do not perceive temperature. They expand or contract according to their design. They are as incapable of perception as a brick.
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#35
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:42 am)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:31 am)Paleophyte Wrote: And thus everything, both intelligent and non-intelligent, is made of energy of one form or another. From that, it is trivial to deduce that energy alone is insufficient to explain intelligence. The rules of energy alone won't be enough, so arguments from thermodynamics will be insufficient at best, and completely wrong at the worst.

In a complex system like the universe, the first important thing is to realize that we humans are made of energy. When we realize this, then we can start looking for the complex!

We have already realized that. Your explanation remains insufficient. It's as meaningful as using thermodynamics to explain the rules of hopscotch. The children and the chalk are both just forms of energy, so it should work.
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#36
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:47 am)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:42 am)panpan Wrote: In a complex system like the universe, the first important thing is to realize that we humans are made of energy. When we realize this, then we can start looking for the complex!

We have already realized that. Your explanation remains insufficient. It's as meaningful as using thermodynamics to explain the rules of hopscotch. The children and the chalk are both just forms of energy, so it should work.

If you are a conscious human cell, e.g. in the pancreas, how is it possible to know that you belong to a human?
Children and chalk are both just forms of energy, but they are not both intelligent!

Man as an intelligent being makes cars, airplanes and now AI.

The Creator - God - Nature, does not only make people who make all that they make, makes much more but as his cells what are we able to perceive?
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#37
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 10:05 am)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:47 am)Paleophyte Wrote: We have already realized that. Your explanation remains insufficient. It's as meaningful as using thermodynamics to explain the rules of hopscotch. The children and the chalk are both just forms of energy, so it should work.

If you are a conscious human cell, e.g. in the pancreas, how is it possible to know that you belong to a human?
Children and chalk are both just forms of energy, but they are not both intelligent!

Man as an intelligent being makes cars, airplanes and now AI.

The Creator - God - Nature, does not only make people who make all that they make, makes much more but as his cells what are we able to perceive?

Dude, you are shit-posting: you are creating a nonsense to explain previous nonsense. When a member told you that energy is not the same as intelligence, you went on to explain it by another nonsensical claim that humans are god's cells.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#38
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
I see a cock named Poppy.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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#39
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
If god has cells then god is a living creature. Did natural selection also create god?
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#40
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:31 am)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:23 am)panpan Wrote: Everything is made of energy, matter is a concentrate of energy! Light, every type of radiation, is energy at a different frequency.

And thus everything, both intelligent and non-intelligent, is made of energy of one form or another. From that, it is trivial to deduce that energy alone is insufficient to explain intelligence. The rules of energy alone won't be enough, so arguments from thermodynamics will be insufficient at best, and completely wrong at the worst.

The irony of the unintelligent trying to explain how super-intelligence works to the intelligent....   Cool
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