US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Ivan Denisovich]

@Leonardo17

Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz is illegal.

You realize of course that the entire Strait of Hormuz lies within the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, right?

What laws do you imagine are being violated by Iran’s control over the Strait?

Boru

Arguments can be made (and actually are) for Iran actions being illegal, but arguments also can be made (and actually are) for reverse. If you're interested in lengthy piece discussing it then I have a link: https://rsisinternational.org/journals/i...itime-law/

[Deesse23]

@Leonardo17

Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz is illegal.

You realize of course that the entire Strait of Hormuz lies within the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, right?

What laws do you imagine are being violated by Iran’s control over the Strait?

Boru

According to Art. 37-38 of UNCLOS Iran does not have the power to deny ships passage through the straits. Iran has signed this treaty.

HOWEVER 

Iran never ratified UNCLOS

[Paleophyte]

Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz is illegal.

Iran's taking the position that 'Y'all did jack shit when Trump illegally bombed our country, but now that you want oil it's suddenly Law and Order time? Take your laughable legality and pound it up your ass.'

[Deesse23]

But two wrongs dont make one right.

It seems UNCLOS reserves any nation under attack (like Iran) the right to defend itself, including in national waters (12mi) and respond with proportional means. This is exactly where i have to agree with Irans blockade being "illegal". The reaction to block the straits for everyone while being attacked by the USA, this i would consider to be disproportionate.

[Paleophyte]

But two wrongs dont make one right.

It seems UNCLOS reserves any nation under attack (like Iran) the right to defend itself, including in national waters (12mi) and respond with proportional means. This is exactly where i have to agree with Irans blockade being "illegal". The reaction to block the straits for everyone while being attacked by the USA, this i would consider to be disproportionate.

Except that everyone is buying and selling oil with the USA. It's a global commodity. If Iran could hit just the USA then I have no doubt that they would. That and I doubt that they're feeling hugely charitable right now.

[Deesse23]

Except that everyone is buying and selling oil with the USA.

I dont see why that justifies attacking ships of nations which had not attacked Iran, ships of nations who refused to join the attack on Iran even. 
No, i dont really see why random nations trading with USA makes it legal for Iran to attack their ships.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17


You realize of course that the entire Strait of Hormuz lies within the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, right?

What laws do you imagine are being violated by Iran’s control over the Strait?

Boru

According to Art. 37-38 of UNCLOS Iran does not have the power to deny ships passage through the straits. Iran has signed this treaty.

HOWEVER 

Iran never ratified UNCLOS

Ironically enough, neither has the US.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Except that everyone is buying and selling oil with the USA.

I dont see why that justifies attacking ships of nations which had not attacked Iran, ships of nations who refused to join the attack on Iran even. 
No, i dont really see why random nations trading with USA makes it legal for Iran to attack their ships.

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, ‘You use the leverage you have, not the leverage you might want or wish to have at a later time.’ The Strait is Iran’s leverage.

It’s been observed that the first casualty of war is the truth. It might be apt to name the second casualty as legality.

Boru

[Paleophyte]

Except that everyone is buying and selling oil with the USA.

I dont see why that justifies attacking ships of nations which had not attacked Iran, ships of nations who refused to join the attack on Iran even. 
No, i dont really see why random nations trading with USA makes it legal for Iran to attack their ships.

Sail a foreign vessel through US waters in wartime and tell me what happens. It may not be legal, but nothing in this absurd mess is. Iran's simply calling out the obvious hypocrisy of invoking the law after the least legal course of action was permitted.

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's bullshit on all three sides here. What Israel and America have done is illegal. What Iran has with the Strait done is illegal. All three governments are odious. I feel worst for the Iranian populace caught in the middle.