US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

^Wars are just so much more fun when no one knows who they’re supposed to shoot at.

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm just glad the airmen are safe. I'm assuming the ground and air transponders couldn't talk to each other.

[Mister Agenda]

I'm hearing four American servicemen dead. I'm not hearing what the victory conditions would be. I have heard that the US is not committed to regime change; so it sounds like there's a good chance Khomeini's chosen successor will take over.

[Paleophyte]

Any commitment, boots on the ground or otherwise, would require that the orange shitgibbon gave a single fuck. He doesn't. Look at Venezuela for what's about to happen. Venezwho?

[Leonardo17]

BrianSoddingBoru:
 
I think you are talking about the more political definition of martyrdom. Well, you may be right.
 
But this doesn’t change the fact that his supporters are not in touch with reality and therefore he cannot be a martyr in the deeper, spiritual sense of the word.
 
Ivan Denisovich:
 
- The Spanish (socialist) Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has covered this issue today. One can support a military intervention to Iran and be aware that the US – Israeli intervention in Iran is unlawful. One does not exclude the other.
 
+ Today there is no “theory” of there being nuclear weapons in Iraq (which we have learned in later times to be a lie) – I am talking about G. Bush’s war in Iraq –
 
   Today we know that Iran has enough enriched Uranium to build a dirty bomb and has the ability to build a real bomb within months if it wanted to.
 
+ They Hit Cyprus with their drones today and have an advanced ballistic missile stock as well. No they cannot hit the US. But yes they can hit Egypt, Greece or Pakistan if they choose to.
 
On Netanyahu: Many people in Israel support him. So that makes him a populist leader more than a dictators. I have nothing against Jews in general but Israel as a nation is exactly what everyone else think it is
 
Paleophyte:
 
- No I just understand the term differently then you. To me someone who ends up being eaten in the Roman arena because he / she refused to acknowledge the Roman Emperor’s divine status is a martyr. Someone dying for his / her strong ideological convictions is also some sort of martyr.
 
But we all believe in reality right? So if a group of people who are completely brainwashed and out of touch with reality think of you as a martyr, does this make you a martyr? That’s the whole question here
 
Paleophyte:
 
“You didn't really expect the Americans to bear the consequences for their actions, did you?”
 
- I think we can do both (look at my Pedro Sanchez message above).
 
Also it’s not “Just America right now. Gulf States have already joined the war. UK and France are supporting these Gulf States and have pledged to help them against Iranian attacks.
 
/ Your point is completely correct. But what else can we do that would look more democratic to you?
 
- I think there will be a time when we will have a Society of Nations that will be strong enough as an institution to stop murderous regimes all over the world. But right now it’s my point of view against your point of view. Personally I cannot think of this “not happening” but I understand you view on this too.


 
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 
- Both Iran and Venezuela are providing oil to China. Kuwait + Iraq were also oil producing countries. So the US interest is probably to control these oil producing countries to put more pressure on China.
 
Maybe D. Trump sees Afghanistan (or Haiti) as worthless and in putting his military energy where it matters the most
 
Thumpalumpagus:
 
- Trump cannot carry out this war more than 60 days on his own without the support of the congress.
 
- Iran is 2 time larger than Iraq. It’s a mountainous region too. It won’t be easy to deploy ground troops there. But D. Trumps says he can do that if necessary.
 
/ So let’s not forget hat this is just the second day of the conflict. We don’t know anything yet

[awty]

BrianSoddingBoru:
 
I think you are talking about the more political definition of martyrdom. Well, you may be right.
 
But this doesn’t change the fact that his supporters are not in touch with reality and therefore he cannot be a martyr in the deeper, spiritual sense of the word.
 
Ivan Denisovich:
 
- The Spanish (socialist) Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has covered this issue today. One can support a military intervention to Iran and be aware that the US – Israeli intervention in Iran is unlawful. One does not exclude the other.
 
+ Today there is no “theory” of there being nuclear weapons in Iraq (which we have learned in later times to be a lie) – I am talking about G. Bush’s war in Iraq –
 
   Today we know that Iran has enough enriched Uranium to build a dirty bomb and has the ability to build a real bomb within months if it wanted to.
 
+ They Hit Cyprus with their drones today and have an advanced ballistic missile stock as well. No they cannot hit the US. But yes they can hit Egypt, Greece or Pakistan if they choose to.
 
On Netanyahu: Many people in Israel support him. So that makes him a populist leader more than a dictators. I have nothing against Jews in general but Israel as a nation is exactly what everyone else think it is
 
Paleophyte:
 
- No I just understand the term differently then you. To me someone who ends up being eaten in the Roman arena because he / she refused to acknowledge the Roman Emperor’s divine status is a martyr. Someone dying for his / her strong ideological convictions is also some sort of martyr.
 
But we all believe in reality right? So if a group of people who are completely brainwashed and out of touch with reality think of you as a martyr, does this make you a martyr? That’s the whole question here
 
Paleophyte:
 
“You didn't really expect the Americans to bear the consequences for their actions, did you?”
 
- I think we can do both (look at my Pedro Sanchez message above).
 
Also it’s not “Just America right now. Gulf States have already joined the war. UK and France are supporting these Gulf States and have pledged to help them against Iranian attacks.
 
/ Your point is completely correct. But what else can we do that would look more democratic to you?
 
- I think there will be a time when we will have a Society of Nations that will be strong enough as an institution to stop murderous regimes all over the world. But right now it’s my point of view against your point of view. Personally I cannot think of this “not happening” but I understand you view on this too.


 
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 
- Both Iran and Venezuela are providing oil to China. Kuwait + Iraq were also oil producing countries. So the US interest is probably to control these oil producing countries to put more pressure on China.
 
Maybe D. Trump sees Afghanistan (or Haiti) as worthless and in putting his military energy where it matters the most
 
Thumpalumpagus:
 
- Trump cannot carry out this war more than 60 days on his own without the support of the congress.
 
- Iran is 2 time larger than Iraq. It’s a mountainous region too. It won’t be easy to deploy ground troops there. But D. Trumps says he can do that if necessary.
 
/ So let’s not forget hat this is just the second day of the conflict. We don’t know anything yet

Leo - have you noticed that Trump does NOT follow rules?

He couldn't care one little bit that he is supposed to have congress backing him.

All we can hope for is that his ADD causes him to turn his attention to something else, though that won't make Iran forget what his impulsive act and neither will congress stepping in bring back any of the lost lives.

[Paleophyte]

- No I just understand the term differently then you. To me someone who ends up being eaten in the Roman arena because he / she refused to acknowledge the Roman Emperor’s divine status is a martyr. Someone dying for his / her strong ideological convictions is also some sort of martyr.
 
But we all believe in reality right? So if a group of people who are completely brainwashed and out of touch with reality think of you as a martyr, does this make you a martyr? That’s the whole question here

That's pretty much the definition of the word. There's no requirement that the person shares your worldview.
 

“You didn't really expect the Americans to bear the consequences for their actions, did you?”
 
- I think we can do both (look at my Pedro Sanchez message above).

Do both? What?!? Simultaneously fuck the dog and not? Coherent thought isn't your strong suit, is it?

Also it’s not “Just America right now. Gulf States have already joined the war. UK and France are supporting these Gulf States and have pledged to help them against Iranian attacks.

Awesome. A Coalition of the Willing. Have we found the WMDs yet? The 'everybody else' that you think is involved is a cheerleading section.

Your point is completely correct. But what else can we do that would look more democratic to you?

Not. Bomb. People.

With over 500 dead, Trump is well on his way to killing more Iranians this year than the Ayatollahs did.

I think there will be a time when we will have a Society of Nations that will be strong enough as an institution to stop murderous regimes all over the world.

What a shame that we don't have a United Nations or something.

But right now it’s my point of view against your point of view. Personally I cannot think of this “not happening” but I understand you view on this too.

Well, the good news is that we'll soon know which of us is right. Given Trump's record and your hopeless naivete, it's good money that he'll have fucked off to whatever is trending by the end of the month. March: In like a lion, out like a pedophile.

[Thumpalumpacus]

President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Monday left the door open for boots on the ground in Iran, but Hegseth said the United States would not be pulled into an “endless” war similar to Iraq.

Hegseth was asked during a press briefing whether the U.S. currently had troops in Iran.

“No, but we’re not going to go into the exercise of what we will or will not do,” he said.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/57626...n-hegseth/

I sure hope this is just blather on their part. If the Pentagon puts in ground troops, we will -- repeat will -- get sucked into a mess.

With over 500 dead, Trump is well on his way to killing more Iranians this year than the Ayatollahs did.

That depends on whose numbers you take, and how long this campaign runs.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

I think you are talking about the more political definition of martyrdom. Well, you may be right. 
 
But this doesn’t change the fact that his supporters are not in touch with reality and therefore he cannot be a martyr in the deeper, spiritual sense of the word. 

No martyr’s supporters have EVER been in touch with reality. I’m unaware of a ‘deeper, spiritual sense’ of martyrdom. A martyr is someone who suffers or dies for their religious (or other) beliefs. Khamenei was a theocrat, which seems to fit the bill pretty neatly.

Maybe D. Trump sees Afghanistan (or Haiti) as worthless and in putting his military energy where it matters the most

Dulce bellum inexpertis.

Boru

[Ivan Denisovich]

- The Spanish (socialist) Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has covered this issue today. One can support a military intervention to Iran and be aware that the US – Israeli intervention in Iran is unlawful. One does not exclude the other.

One can also not support unlawful intervention by fascist warmonger and genocidal scum. Simple as that.
 

On Netanyahu: Many people in Israel support him. So that makes him a populist leader more than a dictators. I have nothing against Jews in general but Israel as a nation is exactly what everyone else think it is

Then it merely means that those alleged many people are scum supporting genocidal piece of shit. netanyahu is fascist trash and nothing else no matter how many smiley faces you will put in your posts.