If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Same answer as before.

Boru

So no answer. You're a coward 

Reply #5, Page 1, this thread. I await your apology.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

So no answer. You're a coward 

Reply #5, Page 1, this thread. I await your apology.

Boru

That would require him to have awareness and humility, neither of which he possesses.

[AngelThMan]

Still a tu quoque fallacy, plus a red herring, since I have made no claims or comments about a deity. Learn some logic

You are obviously hiding behind semantics, with your "I never said..." bullshit. Why don't you quit with the bullshit, quit with the bad logic, quit with mis-labeling everything you don't personally agree with as a fallacy, and get to your fucking point already. Your rampant dishonesty is getting tiresome.

Using the word "semantic" doesn't erase your tu quoque fallacy.

Last chance. If you can't answer, we're done. I will no longer reply to you.

Lets say there are no gawds. The universe is just nature. That is all I'm commenting on. How do you establish that anything is objectively evil? What standard would you invoke?

[AngelThMan]

You are obviously hiding behind semantics, with your "I never said..." bullshit. Why don't you quit with the bullshit, quit with the bad logic, quit with mis-labeling everything you don't personally agree with as a fallacy, and get to your fucking point already. Your rampant dishonesty is getting tiresome.

Using the word "semantic" doesn't erase your tu quoque fallacy.

Last chance. If you can't answer, we're done. I will no longer reply to you or even read your replies.

Lets say there are no gawds. The universe is just nature. That is all I'm commenting on. How do you establish that anything is objectively evil? What standard would you invoke?

[AngelThMan]

My commentary is about atheism, not theism. 

...and you're wrong.  In fact.  That's that, right?  You and I and ayone else can continue to have disputes about the proper ethical system to adopt...but you were just plain and simply wrong with the claim you came in with.  I'm sorry, but theres no point in going any further unless you're willing to acknowledge that the sun rises in the east.  Right and wrong are not empty sets, regardless of whether or not gods exist.

My point is about morality. You're switching the topic to "truth." That's a red herring fallacy. Yes, the sun rises in the east. That dictates nothing about our moral duties. There is no obligation you can deduce from that

[AngelThMan]

You haven't demonstrated there can be objective morality under atheism, which is the topic I posted. Switching to "provide evidence" is a red herring fallacy. So you fuck off, moron

You haven't addressed any of my complaints. I wonder why.
You didn't even deny that you tried to slip your Christian god into this from the start  


Did you talk to a Muslim yet about his gods objective morals?
Did you educate yourself about objective morals?
Did you figure that shouting tu quoque or red herring does not magically make your terrible arguments and lies go away?

So much for you to learn, correct or apologize for, but you decided to go for a cheap insult. Do I really look like I am going to be impressed by being insulted by somebody like you?

Is that shitty moral argument all you could come up with after FIFTEEN  years!? Please tell me it ain't so.

You could have introduced yourself, explained what you did in the meantime, tell us about about your journey. You could have told us why you believe in the Christian god, after all what is his enough to convince you could be good enough to convince others. Or was it...some personal experience? Did God help you to find your car keys? It surely  wasn't something like the moral argument that convinced you of Christianity, was it?

But no, you came with blazing guns, a terrible argument and dishonesty, and now wonder about the pushback.

What a role model of a Christian you are.

Because they're all red herring fallacies and I don't have to address them. They're dodging the original premise. Since you don't know logic, ai does. Ask if your method is logically sound. But ask the right way. First post my original post, and then ask if your answer is logically sound.

[AngelThMan]

So no answer. You're a coward 

Reply #5, Page 1, this thread. I await your apology.

Boru

You didn't answer my follow up question. It takes no brains to say "No, I don't agree." Zero substance. Since you "don't agree," how do you know anything is objective right or wrong or evil? What standard are you using???

This is your last chance to demonstrate any brain cells. I'm not replying to you ever again if you come up with more dodging. Of course I don't expect you to produce any intelligent discourse since you're clearly an uneducated idiot.

[Sheldon]

...and you're wrong.  In fact.  That's that, right?  You and I and ayone else can continue to have disputes about the proper ethical system to adopt...but you were just plain and simply wrong with the claim you came in with.  I'm sorry, but theres no point in going any further unless you're willing to acknowledge that the sun rises in the east.  Right and wrong are not empty sets, regardless of whether or not gods exist.

My point is about morality. 

You've not made any point about morality, beyond a loaded question designed to troll.

[Sheldon]

You are obviously hiding behind semantics, with your "I never said..." bullshit. Why don't you quit with the bullshit, quit with the bad logic, quit with mis-labeling everything you don't personally agree with as a fallacy, and get to your fucking point already. Your rampant dishonesty is getting tiresome.

Last chance. If you can't answer, we're done. 

I shouldn't worry, he answers the same number of questions either way.

[Sheldon]

Using the word "semantic" doesn't erase your tu quoque fallacy.

Last chance. If you can't answer, we're done. I will no longer reply to you or even read your replies.

Lets say there are no gawds. The universe is just nature. That is all I'm commenting on. How do you establish that anything is objectively evil? What standard would you invoke?

Same answer I gave 17 pages ago, that you lied repeatedly I hadn't given, it's never going to change, much like your posts.