Is God always "just"?

[reverendjeremiah]

I dont see any christians discussing the obvious MALEVOLENT parts of "creation"

How about that "irreducable complexity" of the bacteria flagellum that we hear so much from you types?

Oh yes, it is OBVIOUSLY a sign that Jesus created the Cosmos

Necrotizing fasciitis (NF), commonly known as flesh-eating disease or Flesh-eating bacteria syndrome,[1] is a rare infection of the deeper layers of skin and subcutaneous tissues, easily spreading across the fascial plane within the subcutaneous tissue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis

Look at this wonderfully "Intelligently designed" bacteria that Jesus created. Praise Jesus for showing us his hand in creation!


Caucasian male with necrotizing fasciitis. The left leg shows extensive redness and necrosis.

Surely the Bacteria Flagellum is a sign that Jesus created Flesh-eating bacteria. Praise Jesus, the most wise and kind creator.

It is so obvious that this is an Intelligent Design, and there is no such thing as "evolution" or "Natural Selection". Jesus obviously designed this bacteria out of the love of his heart in his perfection.

[Watson]

No one is denying evolution or natural selection, first of all. Second of all, that disease looks awful.

[reverendjeremiah]

No one is denying evolution or natural selection, first of all. Second of all, that disease looks awful.

Flesh eating bacteria usually results in having body parts cut off, as they have a VERY difficult time stoping it from spreading.

My wife had something similar to this once. She was lucky the drugs could work for her and she didnt lose a limb or her life.

If it wasnt for modern godless medicine my wife would surely be dead right now.

[Watson]

Okay? I'm glad your wife made it through her disease, as I'm sure you are too much moreso. But I don't see what the disease itself proves about anything nor do I understand what adding the word 'godless' in between modern and medicine adds or takes away from the phrase 'modern medicine'.

[ABierman1986]

I am assuming you were wanting to hear from Christians on this as well?

Injustice is giving someone something worse than they deserve. In Christian theology all humans are conceived into original sin. Since this sin was committed against a being with infinite authority only an infinite punishment would be just. God could justly issue this punishment at the moment of conception, but instead he has given all men a form of common grace. He allows men to live a life that is far better than they really deserve. So I would argue that even if God ordains pain and suffering it is still far less than the person deserves and is not injustice at all, but rather grace which is a form of non-justice.

Objecting to this would be like calling someone unjust for asking you to pay them three dollars when you really owed them 1000. This would be completely irrational. Hope that helps.

I think this post really hits on one of the critical aspects of this question that hasn't been fully addressed in this thread, and that is that justice is conditional. Doesn't justice depend on your point of view? If a Christian truly believes in Christ and the idea of the biblical nature of God, then God rules the universe, has laws, and that there is a complex plan that a mere human can never fully comprehend.

If you believe that, how can any action that God takes be unjust? No matter the atrocities that occur, they can be explained as just acts by an omniscient deity whose plan is too large for us to judge. Additionally, that belief entails the idea that heathens are already condemned, and the saved will ascend to an eternity of bliss, so cutting a life short, even horribly, can be seen in a more just light when considering an eternity of bliss in addition to being part of the divine plan.

Of course, if you don't believe in that deity, but witness the acts and disasters that appear horrendously unjust and impossible to reconcile with the idea of a "benevolent" god (another conditional term of course), the the argument falls apart and God is unjust.

So from that argument, it seems to me that the answer to the question "is God always 'just'", completely depends on where you are coming from when you ask the question.

[fr0d0]

So from that argument, it seems to me that the answer to the question "is God always 'just'", completely depends on where you are coming from when you ask the question.

Yes... whether you understand it or not. You can only say that the Xtian God is unjust from ignorance.

[Zen Badger]

I am assuming you were wanting to hear from Christians on this as well?

Injustice is giving someone something worse than they deserve. In Christian theology all humans are conceived into original sin. Since this sin was committed against a being with infinite authority only an infinite punishment would be just. God could justly issue this punishment at the moment of conception, but instead he has given all men a form of common grace. He allows men to live a life that is far better than they really deserve. So I would argue that even if God ordains pain and suffering it is still far less than the person deserves and is not injustice at all, but rather grace which is a form of non-justice.

Objecting to this would be like calling someone unjust for asking you to pay them three dollars when you really owed them 1000. This would be completely irrational. Hope that helps.

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Hope that helps........

[Statler Waldorf]

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No one is denying evolution or natural selection, first of all. Second of all, that disease looks awful.

Flesh eating bacteria usually results in having body parts cut off, as they have a VERY difficult time stoping it from spreading.

My wife had something similar to this once. She was lucky the drugs could work for her and she didnt lose a limb or her life.

If it wasnt for modern godless medicine my wife would surely be dead right now.

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What does flesh eating bacteria have to do with God's justice?

[reverendjeremiah]

Okay? I'm glad your wife made it through her disease, as I'm sure you are too much moreso. But I don't see what the disease itself proves about anything nor do I understand what adding the word 'godless' in between modern and medicine adds or takes away from the phrase 'modern medicine'.

Because if you believe in a creator, then THIS is what he created..or did you forget the discussion me and you were having?

[Statler Waldorf]

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I am assuming you were wanting to hear from Christians on this as well?

Injustice is giving someone something worse than they deserve. In Christian theology all humans are conceived into original sin. Since this sin was committed against a being with infinite authority only an infinite punishment would be just. God could justly issue this punishment at the moment of conception, but instead he has given all men a form of common grace. He allows men to live a life that is far better than they really deserve. So I would argue that even if God ordains pain and suffering it is still far less than the person deserves and is not injustice at all, but rather grace which is a form of non-justice.

Objecting to this would be like calling someone unjust for asking you to pay them three dollars when you really owed them 1000. This would be completely irrational. Hope that helps.

I think this post really hits on one of the critical aspects of this question that hasn't been fully addressed in this thread, and that is that justice is conditional. Doesn't justice depend on your point of view? If a Christian truly believes in Christ and the idea of the biblical nature of God, then God rules the universe, has laws, and that there is a complex plan that a mere human can never fully comprehend.

If you believe that, how can any action that God takes be unjust? No matter the atrocities that occur, they can be explained as just acts by an omniscient deity whose plan is too large for us to judge. Additionally, that belief entails the idea that heathens are already condemned, and the saved will ascend to an eternity of bliss, so cutting a life short, even horribly, can be seen in a more just light when considering an eternity of bliss in addition to being part of the divine plan.

Of course, if you don't believe in that deity, but witness the acts and disasters that appear horrendously unjust and impossible to reconcile with the idea of a "benevolent" god (another conditional term of course), the the argument falls apart and God is unjust.

So from that argument, it seems to me that the answer to the question "is God always 'just'", completely depends on where you are coming from when you ask the question.

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Yes, that's how a lot of things are in life. I still believe there is a right answer to these questions, men's ability to obtain it is clouded though.