Bringing Down the King

[Cinjin]

No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt. No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross. No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible. No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away. You can not stop the absolute will of God.

First let me say that your answer of course is not a surprise. I would expect nothing less from a devotee of christ.

However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.

[theVOID]

A time traveler from the distant future arrives accidentally in the Middle East during the reign of the Roman Empire around the year 20 (give or take). Knowing the great suffering that christianity will cause the world for the next 2000+ years he decides to find and kill Jesus Christ.

Is it possible for him to be successful?

What interpretation of the uncertainty principle is true?

[Cinjin]

A time traveler from the distant future arrives accidentally in the Middle East during the reign of the Roman Empire around the year 20 (give or take). Knowing the great suffering that christianity will cause the world for the next 2000+ years he decides to find and kill Jesus Christ.

Is it possible for him to be successful?

What interpretation of the uncertainty principle is true?

Damn Void, quantum mechanics isn't really what I was goin for in this thread. Besides, Heisenberg is a little out of my intellectual scope of knowledge. (and when I say a little - I mean a fuck-ton out of my scope)

I leave the reader to make the assumptions he wishes to answer the question.
There's certainly no wrong answer.

[Faith No More]

I think even if you killed Jesus early enough, given the climate of the times and the fact that every other person claimed to be a messiah that a new religion would be created regardless of who it circled around. I'm guessing that one would have been just as caustic to mankind as Christianity.

[Godscreated]

No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt.

You mean free will doesnt exist?

Freewill does exist, Jesus would be using His freewill to avoid harm before the time of the cross.

No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross.

Wow, I am REALLY impressed!

No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible.

..and how do yo know that he hasnt already and that he is responsible for the bible you have now. What if Satans true name is "Jesus"?

Satan would never have offered salvation to mankind. He would have never give the sermon on the mount. Pure evil could never have disquised itself in such a way. There is a battle of good and evil going on and satan can not be on both sides it is not in his character.

No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away.

WOW. I am VERY impressed! Scuttled off like a bug..but a royal bug!

You can not stop the absolute will of God.

[quote='rev.j']I guess that rules out freewill then.

Freewill would be in the attempt which God allowed, the Jewish people tried but Jesus used His own freewill to avoid the attempt.

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[quote='Godschild' pid='133959' dateline='1304477231']
No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt. No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross. No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible. No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away. You can not stop the absolute will of God.

First let me say that your answer of course is not a surprise. I would expect nothing less from a devotee of christ.

However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent meaning He knows all for all times. What makes you believe that God changed His mind, that may have every well been a test for Moses.

[Cinjin]

No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt. No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross. No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible. No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away. You can not stop the absolute will of God.

First let me say that your answer of course is not a surprise. I would expect nothing less from a devotee of christ.

However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent meaning He knows all for all times. What makes you believe that God changed His mind, that may have every well been a test for Moses.

"Maybe he was testing Moses." REALLY??
What is it with the christian god constantly testing people? He sure is big on tests isn't he. You ever really think about that? Omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He knows all for all times - as you say, AND YET - he wants to test people. According to you, he already knows the outcome of these tests and yet he justs keeps testing. You see what an imbecile that makes you look like?
Your logic is either painfully flawed or your god is a sadistic dickhead.

No, by your own admission and by the words of your own book of contradictions it's clear to me that your god cannot and does not see the future.


I noticed that just like Bliss, you have no avatar .... Got the perfect one for you.

[reverendjeremiah]

However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.

I second that. In the old testament god laid down dietary rules, calling shell fish an "abomination". Yes, the same exact word used for homosexuals.

In the new testament God changed his mind, and bid people to eat shellfish.

Your gods power to see into the future, or make prophecies, is questionable in the least.

Pretty much means the book of revelations is tossed out on good measure.

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God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent meaning He knows all for all times. What makes you believe that God changed His mind, that may have every well been a test for Moses.

If he knows everything, including what will happen in the future, then why would he test anyone?

Wouldnt he, being all knowing, already know in advance what decision Moses would make if given such a test?

[Godscreated]

[quote='Cinjin Cain' pid='133970' dateline='1304485362']
However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.

I second that. In the old testament god laid down dietary rules, calling shell fish an "abomination". Yes, the same exact word used for homosexuals.

In the new testament God changed his mind, and bid people to eat shellfish.

Your gods power to see into the future, or make prophecies, is questionable in the least.

Pretty much means the book of revelations is tossed out on good measure.

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God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent meaning He knows all for all times. What makes you believe that God changed His mind, that may have every well been a test for Moses.

If he knows everything, including what will happen in the future, then why would he test anyone?

Wouldnt he, being all knowing, already know in advance what decision Moses would make if given such a test?[quote/]

When you were in school teachers gave you test and they already knew the answers, so are teachers being stupid for giving test or are they trying to help students to learn. So why can't you see that the test God gives are for helping the one being tested.

[Cinjin]

When you were in school teachers gave you test and they already knew the answers,

The teachers didn't know the answers the STUDENTS would give!!! Non Sequitur Alert!

[DeistPaladin]

When you were in school teachers gave you test and they already knew the answers, so are teachers being stupid for giving test or are they trying to help students to learn. So why can't you see that the test God gives are for helping the one being tested.

The purpose of a test is to separate a group in order to select those that have preferred abilities or traits over those who don't. A teacher gives a test to see which students have learned the material. A prospective employer gives tests to see which job applicants can perform certain tasks that will be needed on the job. Good prospective employees are thereby separated from poor choices for hire so the employer can better select the right candidate.

It follows that the nature of the test tells us much about what the test giver is looking for. If your prospective employer hands you a test that asks mathematics questions, you might assume that your job will be working with numbers in some way.

So if life is a test, as Islamo-Christians like to say, what is the test trying to screen exactly?

The nature of the test is whether or not we believe what we're told even though there's no evidence, plenty of contrary evidence and the beliefs themselves make no sense on close examination. Part of the test is whether or not we will continue to seek a "personal relationship" with a god that hides his existence and makes all communication (prayer) one way. Another part of this test is whether or not we will love a deity that behaves in a manner we would never tolerate from our fellow human beings.

I believe there is a word for what this test is screening for: gullibility.

So if it all turned out to be true, and we end up standing before Jesus after we die, what was the purpose of separating the two groups on the basis of this test? Remember how I said earlier that the test a perspective employer gives tells us what he or she is looking for, what kind of job we'll end up doing?

Jesus is evidently looking for a kingdom composed of exclusively gullible sycophants who will praise him endlessly.

Or perhaps the test is a trick? Maybe those who buy into all this will actually fail and those who think critically and have the moral fiber to reject Yahweh's blood-thirsty nature despite the threat of Hell are the ones who pass?