Iran is a weird fucking place...

[Minimalist]

Do you know how this affects a child's behavior when reach adulthood?

Apparently they become sanctimonious twats.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Ruhollah old boy, if they will let you out,I invite you to to spend some time in Australia. I'll be happy to show you around as my guest. Truly.

I agree there may have been some ignorant remarks about Iran in this thread,but equally, you have made some very ignorant comments about western culture

In Australia, illegitimacy is not a stigma,and the child has all the rights under the law as a legitimate child.Eg: inheritance and child support.

Single parents of both sexes can be paid a pension until the child is 12. The average time a person receives the single parent pension here is 18 months. Here,on divorce, it is most commonly the mother who keeps the children,not the father. Most women in Australia choose to work, that includes single mothers.

The world you describe DID exist here until about 25-30 years ago. I grew up in that world. I am more delighted than I can express that I longer live in that world.


QUESTION: just curious; is the name 'Ruhollah' a common one? I wouldn't know.The only other person of whom I've heard with that name is that hero of the Iranian revolution, the Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ruhollah Mostavi Mosavi Khomeini

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[Doubting Thomas]

Any country that arrests 14 squirrels for espionage has got to be completely batshit insane. Consider also their idea of capital punishment by building a wall and pushing it over on the condemned person. Who's in charge of their justice system over there, Wile E. Coyote?

[ruhollah]

It is wedlock, no t and no hyphen. Don't be daft. Babies can't have chips on their shoulders. Furthermore, I do know how being "illegitimate" affects a child's behavior when they reach adulthood. The answer is that it affects them not at all. These children may very well have both parents raising them in the same home. They are simply not married. What affects children are shitty, abusive parents who don't know how to deal with having children. That can happen no matter what their parents' marital status.

I apologize for the spelling mistake, thanks for correcting me.

Look the point I was making is that a child should be raised by both of his/her parents. Now even if parents are divorce, the child can still see both parents and get support they deserve.

Now in the case of illegitimate children, majority are born to a young mother who either doesn't know who the father is or the father denies the child is his. These mothers were essentially screwed over by a boy who is a coward that won't take responsibility.

Now majority of mothers who decide not to abort (which is another subject altogether) are now forced to put their careers on hold and start looking for work or social support so their child doesn't grow up hungry.

If you think that it's okay for a young mother to struggle like this, then I pity you.

That was an insanely sexist and biased remark. I forgive you, but only because you obviously live in a world where women can't work. In the western societies you so despise, women can raise their own children. Furthermore, and this is a big furthermore, children born out of wedlock are not always raised by just their mothers or even one parent. They may also go on to be adopted by a man or woman who loves them. You have no idea what you are talking about.

You obviously find it convenient to make use of stereotypical statements to make a point.

Do you know what country invented human's right? In particular the right to work for all humans.

I didn't say adoption is bad. In fact it is much better than a child being an orphan raised by a social institution. However the problem is these kids feel that something is wrong with them and that is why their parents left them. Or they feel jealous of other kids with parents. These kind of feelings can be used to justify crimes they commit when they get older.

Oh, and I know a woman who is raising three children and going to med school. That blows your biased blanket statement right out of the water.

Can you tell me more about this friend of yours. If she is divorce then it is different than the single-mother situation I discussed above. Is she getting child support? Is she taking out loans for med school?

[Shell B]

If you think that it's okay for a young mother to struggle like this, then I pity you.

Don't waste your pity. I think people make their own choices. These mothers you are so concerned about made a choice to get pregnant, just as much as the men who abandon them. Let us not forget that plenty of fathers have to raise children alone as well.

You obviously find it convenient to make use of stereotypical statements to make a point.

That is an interesting remark to make after the heaps of stereotypes you just spewed.

Do you know what country invented human's right? In particular the right to work for all humans.

No country "invented" human rights or the right to work for all humans. That has been a concept since the dawn of humanity. The problem is, religion and laws derived from religion suppressed women. Now, think about that before you make some random claim that a Muslim country "invented" the right to work. I will concede that Iraq was once a very advanced country, but I do believe that was before the "invention" of Islam.

I didn't say adoption is bad. In fact it is much better than a child being an orphan raised by a social institution. However the problem is these kids feel that something is wrong with them and that is why their parents left them. Or they feel jealous of other kids with parents. These kind of feelings can be used to justify crimes they commit when they are older.

I will not argue that being adopted is often hard for people to come to terms with. However, that has nothing to do with the merit of a society, which was the initial point you were trying to make. If you can produce concrete statistics that say adopted kids commit more crimes and that there are more adopted kids in the U.S. than anywhere else, then I might say this point has a place in this discussion. For now, it really does not.

Can you tell me more about this friend of yours. If she is divorce then it is different than the single-mother situation I discussed above. Is she getting child support? Is she taking out loans for med school?

She is my sister, so no, I will not tell you more about her. I will say that being divorced is no different from being a single mother or father in many cases. Child support is irrelevant, given the fact that, married or not, women get child support for children when the father is alive and able to be found. Loans are irrelevant as well, given that they are loans and not welfare. Single women, divorced women and women without children can all get these kinds of loans. They all have to pay them back.

[ruhollah]

QUESTION: just curious; is the name 'Ruhollah' a common one? I wouldn't know.The only other person of whom I've heard with that name is that hero of the Iranian revolution, the Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ruhollah Mostavi Mosavi Khomeini

Ruhollah is a nickname meaning "a spirit from god"...

It is usually reserved for those who are very pious, honest, kind-hearted, ...etc.

Jesus can be called Ruhollah.


However in my case, I chose the name cause it sounds cool in English.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Now in the case of illegitimate children, majority are born to a young mother who either doesn't know who the father is or the father denies the child is his.

There you go again, with another stupidly ignorant statement. That is simply not the case in my country.

(1) a putative father may be required to under go DNA testing which gives a result of 98%+ accuracy and is accepted by the courts..

(2) By law,a woman claiming a single parent pension MUST claim child support from the father. A claim of "I don't know who the father is " will seldom be accepted. Again partly because of DNA testing.

(3) The majority of single mothers are over 25 years.

How do I know these things for a fact? Well as it turns out,I worked for our federal department of Social Security for over 25 years. I actually made decisions about payment of a range of payments,including the single parent pension.


Your continuing insistence on making ignorant generalisations makes you appear closed minded and rather stupid.

Sorry, I'm bored with you now.

[ruhollah]

[Shell B]